BREAKING NEWS: Sparano names Chad Pennington starting quarterback

I never look forward usually.... but what is the answer when we have to stop Hillis. If we tackle like we did last week. Ouch Browns carve us

Raiders have put up a few points too...

cakewalk? really?

 

cakewalk

 

That doesn't make any sense. If Miami goes 6-2 Sparano will still get the credit.

 

We had the most brutal 1st half schedule that any team would not want to ask for. Walking out of it at 4-4 with all the woes we had as a team is a blessing..... and knowing that we're actually 5-3 is pretty impressive IMO.

Without the refs, we're tied with Indy for the 2nd Wildcard spot. Without utterly horrendous special teams play we're tied for the best record in the league and in 1st place in our division.

 

Sadly, this season is not about developing Chad Henne, as much as some would love to think otherwise.

 

Compared to our first half walking through a field with landmines is a cakewalk but we all know nothing is a cakewalk in the Parity Football League. We *should* go at least 5-3 potentially 7-1 if we play perfect football.

Im kind of disappointed in Sparano. I have stuck by our coach when other have criticized him because I felt he really had leadership skills and motivational skills but it is a failure of the staff when you let young quarterbacks fail. And thats what they are doing to henne lately. When you take the ball out of the QB's hands to make decisions and you say you have to play safe, thats playing to lose.

 

Actually it really should be. There is no reason you go with a 36 year old Qb with a wet noodle arm. Penny served his purpose in 2008 and did great but he is not the future or the present.

 

i think thats why he got benched Boik. i think the feeling was "when we said play safe, we didnt mean play scared" and I think the coaching staff was unable to get Henne to play agressively while limiting interceptions. It was one or the other with him it seemed. either he played safe and left alot of plays on the field or he played aggressively and became a turnover machine (not all of it his fault unfortunately)

more importantly what has happened to our beloved Islanders?

 

Hyperbole aside, it remains to be seen.

I think with our Wr corps and pass pro, Pennington will shine even against the Titans.

And no, this season is not about developing Chad Henne that to me, toss a season on the BBQ, is just not acceptable B14.

As Buono, and Sparano have said, "there is nothing positive about losing, nothing"

 

Thigpen Brandon

 

True..... b/c our coaching and team play have been so horrible/erratic that the season has now become more about saving jobs than developing our franchise QB. Pitiful. Absolutely pitiful.

If this is all about making sure we have good reason to fire Henning, then I'm ALL for Penny starting! No reason Henne should suffer irreparable damage due to Henning's BS philosophy and play calling. If we don't average 25pts/game, then I hope it's 10 pts/game so that there's no doubt about tossing him out on his face.

 

I still think Henne can develop like Rogers did on the bench. Henning needs to go for sure

 

i keep hearing that this offense isnt suited to henne. what type of offense is? its not west coast. he isnt accurate or mobile enough. the spread? henne is too slow in his decision making still

 

Jake, I do it, because right now, at this point and time, I feel like Penny can lead the team better than Henne, and can score more point's...From a coaches perspective, I dont think you can think about whats best for next year, if you have someone on the roster that gives you a better chance to win this year, I think sparano has to make the move for his team...Henne is not leading the team, and is not scoring adequate points..Hes doing such a bad job of leading his team and scoring points, that its time for him to sit and learn some more. Thats all.

Its a gut decision...a decision based on rhythm, timing, and leadership to inspire men to play at a higher level.

 

Well this is just an outright admission by the staff that they blew the Henne pick. Sad part is I believe Henne will go somewhere else and resurrect his career. This offense is just to conservative to play a team like Baltimore that whips this teams *** everytime. If this staff survives another season then expect a full offensive blow-up like we had with the defense....only maybe more severe.

Chances are we start 2011 with a new OC, QB, RB (RB's?), #2 WR and 1 or 2 new interior linemen.

If anyone expects Pennington to somehow resurrect this offense they are dreaming. Let us not forget the beginning of 2009 before his injury was far more uglier. Pennington also won't have that excellent ground game that we used to have which is the far bigger reason for our offensive failures.
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Welcome back to rebuilding folks. At least it's not as bad as 1-15 rebuilding but after completely rebuilding the defense last year....it's the offenses turn this coming year.

I honestly don't give a rats *** about playoffs with Pennington as that just puts us further back in the draft in trying to obtain a top QB in the 2011 draft.

 

When I hear the words "this offense" I'm thinking about the whole conservative, dinking and dunking, 20 yard box type football.

How about an offense like the Cowboys where he'd have a great vertical threat, a large playmaking target in Dez, a quality #2 in Williams, a great TE, a decent #2 TE, and a RB with some wheels who is a bigger threat out of the backfield. What do the Giants run?

 

Or as Pete Prisco put it:

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6315047/25767478

 

The advantages that this team implemented for Henne's success..

1} A fantastic pass protecting offensive line....check

2} Shelving the wildcat so he doesn't have to come off the field to interupt his rhythm..check.

3} Brandon Marshall..

4}an improved defense...check.

what do we have to show...the worst scoring offense in the league...

Does it affect our future?, maybe.. but we dont know what we have in the player at this point, the flashes are smothered in between the inconsistencies.

Let him sit, and lets find out what his makeup is after the bench...he might improve in some areas that he needs to improve in...he's still young.

 

Some QB's cannot play safe. Some players just dont have that in their DNA. For example a guy like Jay Cutler you would ask to play safe because he makes too many dumb decisions. But you would never have asked a 27 year old Brett Favre to play safe because for every dumb decision there were 5 incredible ones. I am not saying Chad Henne = Brett Favre but thats kinda the point; we dont even know what the heck he is because hes been so reigned in. You take the ball out of the QB's hands when you do that and that is not how you win football games. You win games by trusting your quarterback to make intelligent decisions and if you cant trust him to do that then why is he starting in the first place?

As for our hockey team...injuries. Headed towards another top 5 pick

Yeah well there is nothing positive from a first round playoff exit which seems to be Pennington's norm throughout his whole career. He played a perfect season in 2008 and we still got mugged in round one by Baltimore so whats the payoff?

I understand that there is no long term for an NFL coach but then why even bother ever drafting a QB if you aren't going to allow him to develop? At that point just sign all retreads! The more I think about it, the more I have to say this move is flat out idiotic by Sparano. id rather toss a season on the BBQ for a long term turnaround then to have a qb who is really intelligent and accurate and who has great leadership skills but physically is too limited to get it done.

 

well supposedly the coaching staff benched henne because he was too conservative for them so I'm not sure what you mean. I agree he needs a seam busting TE. We have talked about that for the last two years. I also wouldve liked to keep Ginn for his vertical speed. Hopefully we get him a burner next year. But what damned Henne in the eys of the coaching staff is his checkdowns. Apparently he's too conservative even for Henning

 

The Giants run a version of the Coryell offense predicated on playing vertically. Which works perfectly when you have Hakeem Nicks working vertically and Smith and Manningham working the intermediate routes. Kevin Gilbrides roots are really in the run and shoot but you know no Tom Coughlin lead team is running the run and shoot. Coughlin is off the Parcells coaching tree so you know its 100% out of the question

 

I was willing to go there in terms of evaluation, but I forgot that iam just a fan looking for a dynasty, dont know if a coach can stick to the same theories.

 

Sure you would, that is like the Bills fans hoping their team was no longer mediocre so "we can draft a Qb" meanwhile, 0-7 later, they are getting exactly what they wished.

No season should ever be tossed on the BBQ, not once, do you suppose in Pittsburgh or with the Giants they hope for wasted seasons so their Qb "can learn"?

No thank you.

 

man! i got here late but i dont like this at all!!!!!!

 

the Giants offense or our offense is perfectly suited for Henne. The problem is that Eli will throw deep. For whatever reason Henne wont and its not Henning. He was more than willing to wing it when he had Doug Williams and Jake Delhomme. I think if we made a mistake this offseason it was in not replacing Ginn with another burner. Maybe that would have got Hnne to go for the home run a little more

 

you can if you're in Pittsburgh, Tennessee or the Giants. Sadly you cant in Miami. In Miami you have your owner predicting a Super Bowl after you go 7-9

 

No ideally we would already have a superstar at the position. Thats really my first choice. But given the option of being mediocre with a young qb or being mediocre with an old qb then why wouldnt you go with the younger one and allow for his development and upside to come through? There will be growing pains with it but there will also be a decline with Pennington as he gets older.

Maybe tossing is a bad choice of words. Im not saying that we should suck enough to get in the top 5 picks but hell if Chad Pennington is the long term answer at 36 with a medical chart that reads like a biology textbook

 

Well.... what do we expect after seeing Henne being Hitler'ed to death for 2 years.

 

he could be the present Matt. if that's how they wanna play this..

bottom line, is you have an offense that is the worst in the league at scoring point's. so an improvement in that dept, gives you a better chance to win games in the present.

 

why would sparano want to develop henne for the next coach if he's been told to win now?

 

No, this has never been how a Dan Henning offense works. Henning has option A and that is where the ball is intended to go. Otherwise you check down. There is a reason Panther fans and Jets fans all hate this guy. He takes the ball away from the QB and wants to dictate that the only option is where he says. You arent allowing your Qb to read the play. You arent allowing him to make a play. All youre doing is turning him in to a video game character and Henning holds the controller.

 

well i'll tell you the difference between Chad Henne and Phil Simms was that Simms who had the same training as Henne had no problem telling Paarcells to go **** himself. Until Hennne gets pissed off enough I'm not sure he's going to make it. Just get mad and get angry and start winging it and **** the coaches. Trust me if he starts making plays downfield they will loosen up on him. Thatswhat they're waiting to see from him and he hasnt shown any inclination to do it on a regular basis

 

interceptions happened and unlike Marino or Peyton or Siims, he took to heart the dont make mistakes part and he became too conservative. Its a fine line between playing safe and scared and henne is playing scared. marino threw an interception and i'm sure shula ripped him and marino probably just laughed it off

 

Also Parcells wanted to bench Simms, however Simms just played too damn good.

 

Maybe we can lose our last 8 so that Tony and Henning are gone, and then we use Free Agency and the draft to build up the offense around Henne the appropriate way AND with his needed weapons.

 

DJ, Chad Pennington has gotten out of round 1, exactly 1 time in his career. Once. What kind of future is that?

The offense isnt the worst in the league because of Chad Henne. The offense is the worst in the league because the coordinator stinks, you have two declining running backs, one of which cannot stay healthy, you have no vertical threat and a TE who is a better blocker then receiver. You take away Marshall and Bess and we will lose every time. They have not given Henne the weapons or the balance to win games and they have taken the ball out of his hands to do so. They turn him loose when it is too late and that is a recipe for failure even if our QB was Peyton Manning or Drew Brees. Its been bad in the past but never this bad.

Bottom line is Henning has to go and the offense needs a makeover.

 

i seem to recall a hell of a lot of deep throws to Steve Smith when they made their super bowl run starting in the second half of the season. the first part was pretty run run but the second half was when delhomme started throwing the ball around.

i also recall doug williams ripping apart denver in the SB with an aerial assault that would make al davis cream in his pants

i also bhave seen henne go to three or four progressions a few times this year so i dont buy he has two reads only

 

And what if he hasnt been told to win now? Then why the reason for the decision? Because truthfully we dont know if he was told any such thing do we?

This is flat out not true? I loved watching Simms later years when I was a kid but his first 6 years in the league were very average. He was benched a few times including once for the incredible Scott Bruener. You dont need to play pissed off, but you do need to play smart and with some emotion. It looks like they have made Henne a robot. Its truthfully horrible to watch this offense.

 

well when your owner tells the media we are a super bowl team in the offseason......

yeah it did take simms a while but he also got into it with parcells quite a bit. he wasnt a wallflower. i havent seen henne snap yet? have you?