Miami "Small Box" Offense same as in preseason

One of the reasons they score more TD's rather than field goals is because they have routes going upfield would be my guess. Most of our routes we are not heading upfield, but rather coming back to the QB or heading towards the sideline. Of course everyone has the types of routes we run, but we run them almost exclusively....at least in terms of where we actually throw the ball. Why do we do that? Is it Henne or is it our philosophy? Is it some of both? I just don't know.

 

Tom Brady isn't throwing the same routes we are so the data doesn't really fit. He throws more routes with receivers heading upfield than we do. We are usually catching the ball with our shoulders towards the QB or sideline. His receivers have more routes heading across field or upfield, as well as what we do. That data doesnt detail the types of routes being ran and frankly that is part of the heart of the intended diologue.


Moreover I'd also argue:

- Tom Brady does a better job of consistently placing the ball for his RB's and WR's on their routes than Henne does.
- The NE staff does a better job attacking zones than we have as well. Especially prior to this season after Moss tanked.
- NE staff also does a much better job manipulating zones and schemes so that they can take the ball where they want to whereas we struggle to get the ball to players like Marshall.
- NE also makes the passing game a higher priority than we do.

 

I agree. I just think that the trade off for that safety net is costing us more big plays. But I do agree with your comment 100%

 

The Pats offensive plays havent changed over the last 3-4 years. They are running alot of spread schemes with Brady. Up until this year they were consistenly excellent, this year has been more of a struggle with the Moss situation, and really even last year I believe Welker was injured for a good stretch which also effected playcalling and stats.

NE has had no problems going vertical (take our games with them as perfect examples) and they beat us deep and or on long YAC after the catch because they ran routes that enhanced YAC. Welkers' game is a great example in terms of how they use him on drags, seams, slants, etc.

 

Is this year really the best year to mention Tom Brady in comparision to Henne? I don't think it is. He has less weapons and different coaches.

Also how many passes overall has Brady thrown compared to Henne?

% doesnt mean anything if I bat 4 times and hit 2 compared to if I bat a hundred times and hit 50

How does Henne rank compared to Brady in their near undefeated season?

 

Odd that would be left out.

How are their backs doing?

 

you two need to get a dolphins wallpapered room j/k

 

How does data like this "destroy" anything?

(13:02) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 84-D.Branch ran ob at MIN 43 for 21 yards.
WHAT WAS THE ROUTE?


(12:31) 12-T.Brady pass deep middle to 19-B.Tate to MIN 11 for 32 yards (39-H.Abdullah). Minnesota challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #1.)
WHAT WAS THE ROUTE?


(11:13) 12-T.Brady pass short right to 83-W.Welker to MIN 3 for 5 yards (26-A.Winfield, 39-H.Abdullah) [98-L.Guion].
WHAT WAS THE ROUTE?


(7:11) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to 84-D.Branch.
WHAT WAS THE ROUTE?



(6:37) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 87-R.Gronkowski.
WHAT WAS THE ROUTE?


(9:26) 12-T.Brady pass short left to 87-R.Gronkowski to NE 25 for 5 yards (20-M.Williams).
WHAT WAS THE ROUTE?


In other words, you seem to feel that data you collected proves your point that we and NE are the same in routes, plays, whatever else you have decided is the case. In your mind we arent all that different. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. Your data proves nothing in terms of formations using shifts, motions, or specific route combinations. The data says nothing about where the WR's shoulders were when he caught the ball or where his route was taking him. All of these are factors in the overall criticism. Let's not just pick and choose and pick incomplete random data and act as if it's the end all answer. The data is lacking, so is your arguement.

Again I'll say we are not the same as NE. A pass short right does not mean he ran a curl in or a stop route or a drag or a wheel. All of those items are factors in our lack of productivity, YAC yardage, small box play, and predictable scheme.

Also, why compare to Brady and NE stats? If the purpose is to compare us to someone better thats fine but even with them performing better is this the best NE offense to compare us with or does it just serve a purpose? Lets keep in mind NE is struggling the last season and a half themselves since the Welker injury and Moss implosion. They are also being criticized on west coast radio for not effectively attacking upfield and this week all the talk here was about them bringing Moss back for that very reason.

 

I saw it, good stuff... but I still say we consistently throw the ball underneath to routes where our shoulders are coming back to the QB or sideline an awful lot. I'm not saying we never have a good play call or a good series. I love our coaching staff and think they work hard and want to win. I love our players as well, and think we have some potential... BUT I think both are also sometimes horrible in stretches and at key times. It's frustrating to me to see us not doing the things I've mentioned consistently. Our lack of Touchdown's cries that we have some problems. The cup board is not empty on this team. We should be more effecient on both the coaching and playing front.

One tiny example. What I'm complaining about is the exact same thing my old rival Soloman Wilcots mentioned (we played against each other in a championship game back in HS - WE won he lost LOL) was how the Dolphins were going to make MORE of an effort in the second half to get Marshall the ball. Suddenly the Fins started using motions with him more, motioning both he and people around him to clear him off, switch sides of the field in terms of strength, etc and the game commentary reflected that. In a nutshell I'm asking why we don't use those strategies all the time?


It was obvious we were doing some things differently trying to enhance Marshall in our scheme... I want to see that same emphasis 100 different ways all the time. That's when I'll be happy.

 

Oh God that was half my childhood. Those were the days. Heroes still exsisted in wide variety and no bills to pay or wife to please.

 

LOL. Sometimes I feel like that too.


Well, on a positive note my high school team at work won its 29th straight and won league for the 3rd straight year and my other team (My sons team of 7th and 8th graders that is also my team) won its 21st straight game this week and secured the #1 seed again this year in AAU Football. The sad part is everyone loses at some point and after being spoiled like this it's going to be hard to deal with when it happens!