Cain Velasquez by TKO at 4:12 of the first round. And now the new undisputed heavyweight champion. Talk about a complete performance. Cain answered every question we had about he and Brock. He withstood the early surge from Brock, taking some punches and (flying) knees. Surviving being pinned against the cage, stuffed takedown attempts and popped right back up from two successful takedowns, one of which put him on his back. A D-1 wrestler himself, he took down the former D-1 heavyweight champion multiple times. Unlike Shane Carwin, he hurt Lesnar badly with his strikes, showing off his tremendous power. He was patient and precise, not over-committing once he had the champ in trouble. And he finished him with ease. That 40 pound disadvantage on fight night? Not a problem for Velasquez. As for Lesnar, he was a bloody mess. When Herb Dean pulled Cain off, Lesnar was covered in it, blood all in his eyes, a massing slice to his cheek and all puffed up. Brock was once again ultra classy afterwards, this time in defeat. He'll be back, no question. But Cain is proving he has the style and skill set to deal with just about anyone. He's become very well-rounded. He's got the best cardio in the division. And he's an ox. Once Brock is on top of you, that's it. Not this guy. He just tore apart the biggest, strongest, most athletic heavyweight there's ever been. Jay Glazer has been calling Cain a young Fedor. Gotta say he looks every bit of it. He just gets better every fight. Will be interesting to see if he develops a submission game like Fedor. Then you can just forget about it. Next up is Junior dos Santos. That one should be good too. Two very similar fighters, both in style and size.
I think Brock got caught. Not taking anything away from Cain, but I still think people forget Brock is a 2 yr pro. Not really sure why he would try to strike with Cain, but live and learn. Kudos to the dude for taking down the baddest man alive.
you think taker knows something we dont? Sounds like taker had a feeling brock was taking cain a little too lightly? Hmmm that was a very interesting interview.
They are two relative newcomers for sure. Brock's first fight was actually in summer 2007, just six months after Cain's MMA debut. They are two special athletes. One thing I really took from this was that, despite the size difference, Cain's wrestling defeated Brock's wrestling. Brock got him on the ground twice, the second time Cain was on his back. And Brock couldn't keep him down. That was huge because Brock could no longer control where the fight took place. When Cain took Brock down, he did damage from the back. I think that started it. Then after the stumble, it was academic. Impressive how quickly Cain's striking has come along.
I don't know. Maybe he saw the countdown specials, where Brock was 'only' training two hours a day, and drew that conclusion. A lot of people did. Tell you what though, I wish he could have gotten into MMA.
i hear rumors brock wants to take alot of time off, taker said "do you want to do it?" brock stared, and walked off. rumors swirling that takers last match will be wrestle mania 27....and brock may be facing him. shane mcmahon was at ufc offices a few months back, interesting. veryyyyy interesting.
I did not know that. I just figured there was some bad blood he was challenging his manhood right there. I read a little something this morning about Brock leaving WWE when he was supposed to do a tour of 'losing' to the Undertaker or something. I don't follow WWE, but that might be one thing.
I would highly doubt that. I can't see Brock ever going back to the WWE even for one match. He's 'above' that now. Maybe if UFC wasn't as popular as the WWE and he was looking for a big pay day but UFC is so much more popular than the WWE is now it would be a step down to him. No that's not true. The Taker and Brock had some awesome matches and each one Brock beat him. I forget what program Brock was going to start up before he left the WWE to try out for the Vikings but it wasn't with the Undertaker. And most likely Brock would have been champion again in a matter of weeks. I didn't think there was any bad blood between the two though but the Undertaker is known to hold grudges with guys for stupid stuff like not dressing appropriately when traveling or when he thinks guys are disrespecting the business. Maybe Taker is mad Brock walked away after the WWE put tons of million behind him.
Here is Dana on all that. YouTube - Dana Looks Back on UFC 121, Discusses Brock Lesnar and Tito Ortiz's Future
everything i have heard is taker and brock are good friends. i know taker was at brocks first ufc fight cheering him on, and has been at all of them. maybe they got in a spat recently, seemed taker called him out on not training as hard as he could, but it also seemed taker was careful not to say too much....he was def. choosing his words wisely. interesting.
lucky honest question, you think this opens up another market for mexican fans having a mexican heavyweight champion? this can be nothing but good things for the ufc and mma no?
I think it can help for sure. As much as I may rag on mma I'm actually quite happy to see a mexican heavyweight champion and what makes it even better was he beat a monster in Lesnar. So I could definately see this causing new fans to emerge, especially since it isn't a lightweight champion lol
I think he was commenting more on his training or lack of it. Maybe Undertaker had asked to train with him. Who knows.
haha! well watching the fight last night, they were in Anaheim, and wow...the mexican crowd was HUGE. lots of flags, lots of cheering....signs saying "yes we CAIN" it was pretty cool, i hope it happens, cause i love mma, and it expanding will only give me the 'fan' a better product!
Yeah well mexico would be a huge market for mma. Look at how it is for boxing, they have their own rankings down there and have fights like once a week.
I don't think anyone is surprised Cain beat him. Cain's a helluva fighter. My cousin tried to convince me Brock was "too big". So much for that.
Ok apparently the Undertaker and Brock have an issue dating back to Lesnar leaving the WWE to try out for the NFL and Lesnar refusing to lose certain matches to put people over.
your entire post is ridiculous. first you say "finally" meaning, he hasnt lost in awhile. then you say get better. how do you "get better" if your winning all your fights.......wow.
lesnar lacks a lot of fighting skills in my opinion. Without causing an episode like last mma thread, I will say He has an obvious flaw in his game, that being the ability to do anything other then ground and pound. He finally ran across someone who could get out of it despite his weight and height and he lost for it.
IMO you are putting too much into Lesnar's said flaws when we really should be focussing on Cain's domination and great gameplan that he followed and executed to perfection. This was a fight that honestly could have went either way. One of the shots Lesnar throws lands solid we arent even having this conversation. Again kudos to Cain for being the better fighter last night. But to sit there and try to hint at the fact that Brocks flaws or game plan was the cause to him losing is absurd. He's beat Frank Mir, Randy Coutore, and Shane Corwin, pretty sure he knows what he's doing.
doesnt change the fact he has won most of his fights. which is what i was responding too......dunno why you quoted my post to talk about brocks flaws and everything?
Exactly. I hate how over-hyped he was. Nowhere near the talent that Silva or GSP are at their respective divisions, imo.
He's always had flaws.For one he telegraphs his punches on his stand up. He relies almost solely on his ground and pound, and like I said he finally ran up against someone he couldn't do that to. Its like watching the colts, when all they do is try to outshoot opponents. They are good at it, and can win, but eventually they will run up against a team they can't outshoot, and then what? I'm not taking anything away from velasquez, I am saying lesnar now has a choice. He can either get good at what hes lacking and prove he's a great champion, or keeping trying what he's trying and hope to hell it works. This will decide who lesnar really is, as a fighter. And I never said he doesn't know what he's doing, cotto the boxer has beaten some big names, but he ran against people he couldn't just out slug and he paid for it. Same with brock.
Well, I can see why it could be "finally" Last fight? He turtle upped and let Carwin, a guy who has never been past a 4 minute mark of first round (or something ridiculous like that) punch himself in to a submission. Call me a hater, call me whatever you want, but after the Carwing fight it became clear that Brock is nowhere as good as he has been hyped up to be? Running, turtling up? As a "baddest man on the planet?" please.
Good night of fights overall. Matt Hamill and Diego Sanchez were really impressive and it was good to see Diego return to his 155lb form. Tito was kind of disappointing and it was surprising to see him dominated in the wrestling department like that. I thought Shields fought smartly by fighting to his strength on the ground and almost got caught a few times by Kampmann. If the fight had stayed on the feet a little more, I think Kampmann could have knocked him out. Cain really impressed me with his pinpoint strikes and quickness on the feet. He has a really stable base and it will be hard for any heavyweight to control him on the ground, seeing that Brock could not. I think the UFC has some good options now for future heavyweight fights and the division should get real interesting. Now the next number one contender needs to be found since Dos Santos has his shot. Some good matches can be made between Brock, Carwin, Mir, and Big Country. I like the younger fighters too like Mitrione, Schaub, Madsen, Struve, and Barry.
Daniel Cormier said Brock was "basic wrestler" from the Mark Coleman days of MMA. That's a pretty good comparison. Coleman was once upon a time the "baddest man on the planet". YouTube - UFC 121: Daniel Cormier Expresses How Proud He Is of Teammate Cain Velasquez
Coleman also fought in Pride (most of his career anyway) where you could be a basic wrestler, and still survive thanks to knees to the head on the ground, kicking a downed opponent. Stuff like that. Hell, the only tournament he ever won was because he caught Kharitonov (blast from the past) and kneed him to the top of his head for 5 minutes.
Coleman won a couple of UFC tournaments as I recall. But yeah, PRIDE gave wrestlers that privilege on the ground. Point is, nobody stays on top for too long. They all get beat eventually. Guys like Anderson Silva, those kind of reigns are not the norm. Fedor's reign was as rare as we'll ever see, though staying out of the UFC likely extended it. Look at Machida. It looked like he was gonna own that division for quite awhile. Took all of one fight before he lost (well, won a bad decision) and knocked out cold the next. We'll see if Cain can be one of those guys to reign for awhile. Dos Santos will be a stiff test.
Good point with ufc tournaments. Again, ever wondered why he was Mark "The Hammer" Coleman? He would headbutt the crap out of his opponents in the stone age of MMA rules. Coleman refused to adapt by learning even most basic submission, while guys like Tanner (rip) learned them from VHS tapes. Coleman is a legioner and a granddaddy of ground and pound, but he failed to adapt, which is why he never really reigned as greatest ever (that and being in the same weight class as prime Fedor)
