I am just saying that Marshall has led the league in drops before. People seem to think he never drops a pass. I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot of "CURSE OF #19 JERSEY!!!" threads, when in fact, Marshall has always dropped a lot of passes. Just trying to set expectations, that's all.
Marshall has always dropped passes. That is very true. But he does ten things right for the one thing he does wrong. That's a fact. Ted Ginn does four or five things wrong for the one thing he does right. That's also a fact. For every Ted Ginn kickoff returnapalooza experience, there are three kickoff returns that look like limp *****. For every 60 yard pass that somehow gets to him because the QB throwing him the ball has top percentile type physical ability, there's four other plays where he dropped a ball that hit him on the hands, ran the wrong route, or he bobbles and runs out of bounds unnecessarily turning an 89 yard TD into a 60 yard gain that leads to a FG. It is what it is. I don't know why people bother to stick up for him.
Well, for one thing, 95% of the people hating on him call him a puzzy, ducks out of bounds,etc. Of that 95%, I bet 95% don't even have the balls to return a kick, let alone go over the middle. I liked the kid from the beginning. He had a hard time growing up and seems to me like a genuinely good guy, with a great work ethic who really wants to do well. He is trying, he isn't a Jamarcus Russell. That is why I wouldn't be a good GM though. You are looking straight from an Xs and Os perspective. I am looking from a fan's perspective. I'm sad hes gone and hope he does very well in SF. If he doesn't, oh well, he is still a millionaire so I won't feel that bad for him. But, I will know he gave it his best.
The moment a guy signs that first contract that gives him as much as I would hope to make in ten years, I stop feeling sorry for the poor whittle baby who gets picked on by the fans. This is now his job description. He gets paid (by us fans) for the right to pick his game apart. If he doesn't like it, go be an accountant. This is about whether he's a good professional football player or not. He's not.
And I don't know why people continue to bash him. I have said multiple times in this thread that Ted Ginn sucks. I just get sick of people going above and beyond any reason or fact to make up things about his performance. It brings the entire quality of the discussion down if people are allowed to make up facts and stats just because they don't like a player. And like I said - getting rid of Ginn was a positive - but lets not pretend that bringing in Marshall made us an unstoppable force at WR. We have no speed and are still going to struggle with drops. What Marshall provides outweighs those negatives ten times over - but still seems odd to bash a guy about dropped passes when our starting two WR already have 5-6 drops in 2 games.
It's not bashing a guy to simply acknowledge what he is, which is not a good professional football player. What are we supposed to do, lie? Do we talk about him more than the average football player on another team? Yeah. I think that's pretty reasonable, he was a #9 overall pick for the Dolphins and a perennial disappointment that finally got traded for a mere 5th round pick. Yeah, I think it's OK if he's still on the brain enough to mention him here and there. But what are we going to do, lie? He's not very good. He's still doing the same stuff that got him sh!t-canned from Miami. Have Marshall and Hartline dropped a few this preseason? Sure. But they deserve a little leeway because during the regular season they've proven that they don't drop the ball as often as Ginn and that's a fact. And last I checked we're not just talking about Ginn's drops. We're also talking about his inability to run after the catch, being one of the worst RAC receivers I have ever seen in Miami. And I mentioned several times now he also ran a wrong route in the end zone.
Ck, the guy took it stoically though and was never the whittle baby. In fact he was his own biggest critic. I give respect where it is due, and TG2 has a lot of mine, regardless if he's a good professional football player or not. That was irrelevant to the point I was trying to get across anyway.
He was his own biggest critic and yet when Brandon Marshall starts flipping out in frustration with himself over a dropped pass, Omar Kelly suddenly realizes that he never once saw Ted Ginn express any kind of frustration with himself when he did something like that in practice. If he's his own biggest critic, that's the problem.
There is such a huge library of suckitude in the Ted Ginn library I don't understand why so many people HAVE to lie. He regressed almost every year. His hands were comically bad last year. He makes sweet love to the sidelines. All true. Saying he had three good games in his career or that he lost us X amount of games last year are extreme exaggerations. IMO - making fun of the WAY he caught a 60 yard pass falls in that category. (Making fun of him for sprinting to the sidelines does not. ) I am very interested to see how he does in SF. He doesn't have the pressure and scrutiny he did in Miami. He is also in a role much better suited for his talents. And he is still sucking. But I'd like to be able to have an actual conversation about it rather than just throwing out random hyperbole. We traded him for very little return and never replaced his speed or KR abilities. Whether he makes us regret that or looks for the closest sidelines every time we bring it up is a story line we are going to watch all year.
You're talking BS now. People handle adversity and a wide array of emotions differently. Just because TG wasn't punting balls around, or swearing and things like that, it doesn't mean it doesn't bother him. If I miss an open net in my hockey game tonight should I break my stick? Is that the common thing people with a true desire to get better do? Ridiculous. I'll go to the bench and reflect on my own thank you. I'll swear on the way to the bench, but you get my point. You should twitter him. Tell him to punt a few balls, it will help his hands.
I finally got to watch some of the Niners/Vikings game. I don't think any player in the league except Ginn would have been criticized for going out of bounds on that long pass. In fact, I would guess that most, if not all of the criticism for that play came only from Dolphin fans. I also think that he did several things right in that game. On that first drive alone he converted an important third down by catching a ball in traffic and was the key block on the TD run. If Marshall had had the exact same game as Ginn he would have been lauded, but here it's called doing four or five things wrong for every one thing he does right. That was why I felt he was never given a fair shot here. IMO over his time here he did as much right as he did wrong. While that may not have been enough it certainly isn't the way he'll be remembered.
Yea, I finally saw the long pass and couldn't believe he got criticized so heavily on here for going out of bounds on the play.
In a player that is as incredibly WOEFUL a RAC player as Ted Ginn, absolutely that criticism is 100% warranted because it's part of the problem. He definitely, definitely could have turned it up field and turned that 60 yard pass into a 89 yard TD. But he didn't, and the reason he didn't is the same reason he had something incredibly foul like a 1.3 YAC average per reception in 2009. And for that, he deserves plenty of criticism. He made one catch on a third down conversion (no RAC, straight to the ground, as always), and yes he blocked as he was supposed to (but let's be honest, it wasn't a block that deserved distinction, I saw it as well). He also dropped two balls and ran a wrong route in the end zone. Face it, he's not a good football player and that's why a player with his speed was traded for a 5th round pick.
I don't understand this logic that any given bad play, we should treat a Larry Fitzgerald the same way as we treat a Ted Ginn. It's a recipe for never criticizing any player for anything. Ever. Because every time they drop a ball, it's treated as an odd and isolated occurrence. A whole lot of odd and isolated occurrences...over...and over...and over again. Every time Ted Ginn goes out of bounds unnecessarily, oh well if that were Brandon Marshall you wouldn't care. Yeah, you're right. I wouldn't care. Know why? Because Brandon Marshall has PROVEN time and time again that 9 times out of 10 he's going to catch that ball, and do something crazy with it after the catch making two defenders look silly even if the end result is that he only gets another 2 or 3 yards...but sometimes the end result of that will be that totally ridonkulous play against the Cowboys last year. SMH.
that "block" was pitiful, the running back was hit by the man he was "blocking" at the 3 yard line, the running back made the play....by breaking through the tackle. it was a terrible attempt at a block.
I assume you are referencing my saying that Marshall has had drops as well. And it isn't quite fair to switch the conversation from Marshall to Fitzgerald. Marshall has led the league in drops in the past - so yes, drops are a concern with him. I wasn't saying he was as bad as Ginn - just saying that our WR has had problems with drops in the past, and has again this preseason. That is a fair statement.
That block was a successful block. Basically, he did his job well enough that it helped his team score a TD. How does that not count as doing something right? And I'm not saying that Ginn equals Marshall. I'm saying that if on similar plays two players do something successfully that helps their team score it isn't fair to say one player did well and the other didn't. As for the running out of bounds on that play, +90% of the WRs in the league would have done the same thing, but only Ginn gets lashed over it. There's a difference between criticizing players for what they do wrong and criticizing players even when they don't do something wrong.
Hey Raf, go watch that play again. I watched it about 10x laughing at his "block". I even showed my non caring wife because I felt compelled to share. I have no ill will or anything to Ted Ginn Jr. My sig is a non biased, cut and dry opinion about him as a player as I witnessed it. Im not a flat out hater either. But that statement is'nt true dude. It's funny, Ted Ginn looks exactly the same there as he did here... so far.
I don't think it was a key block, but it wasn't bad, either. WR rarely get underneath and drive a guy out of position - plus the running back went behind Ginn allowing the defender to get off the block easier. It was really just an ok play. I don't see it as being a horrible attempt or superb attempt. On the play he ran out of bounds - he was running full speed towards the sidelines and had 2-3 yards to try to stop momentum and turn up field. I don't think there was any way to get himself going forward.
View the 34 second mark. Ginn braces for impact. No attempt to wrestle with his man at all. Claps his hands and calls it a day rofl! I guess him existing on the field is worth somthing. I dunno man. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoOPR9jVlJE"]YouTube- Vikings vs. 49ers Preseason Highlights 2010[/ame]
ROFL!!! Sweet block there, Teddy! ...might as well have curled into the fetal position right from the snap
So just to confirm - we are assuming that the play was designed for Ginn to seal the CB inside and the RB to run outside of him? The play pushed the RB outside of Ginn - it was obviously designed for him to run inside Ginn - and Ginn had made that block. Not great, but he held up the defender and made a lane on the inside.
Yea, he did help the defender. But, it really wasn't a pretty play. He was getting bullied around by the corner. The bomb was a nice catch though. Him running out of bounds wasn't that big of a deal. It's pre season. No need to fight for extra yards and risk an injury.
Mr Ohio native , a block is a block. THAT was'nt a block! Yes the play design entered into my mind. And I did notice Ted "stood and braced himself for impact" in the correct spot. I saw Ted take 2 or 3 steps forward and brace for impact (probably with his eyes closed). If you want say he "held his defender up" and "made a lane on the inside" thats up to you. My point is he is less physical than my dead grandmother. When your own dad calls you out, thats really saying somthing. I'll also toss in that i'm very glad to have someone with no balls off this team. Too many times did we ALL see him make a B line for the sidelines, hear footsteps and drop a pass, or fall down right after a catch. He's the only dude in the NFL that can be "finger tackled" that I know of. That was a terrible weak attempt at a block.
Blocking as a WR mostly means get in the way long enough for the back to get by. And the key block on sweep is almost always going to be the outside player. He was the outside player and he got in the CB's way long enough for the back to get by.
you keep saying he ran a wrong route in the end zone. he was completely covered. how do you know he wasnt supposed to break it off if he was covered? was the play supposed to be a jump ball fade route? to ted ginn? that seems like a play designed to be picked. he's not a jump ball receiver. i'm not sayin g you're wrong but i dont think you can be certain that he wasnt supposed to break that route off if he were covered
Ha! I actually hate Ohio State but maybe something in this Lake Erie water in Cleveland must have saturated my brain. He is definitely not a physical player and that block won't make any highlight reels - but outside of Marshall that is fairly standard for what you will see from WR. He didn't whiff on the guy and had the play been turned up immediately as designed it would have been sufficient.
I still don't see how he could have turned that 60 yard catch into an 89 yard TD. He had two players on him and his momentum was toward the sideline.
I dont need football 101 to see what I see bro. Ted Ginn didnt do anything other than almost get knocked on his butt by a CB that at best weighs 10 lbs more than him, then he basicly said "oh shux", clapped his hands together basicly admitting he did a poor job. You could've put Alex Smith in there and I bet you $100.00 he would've tried harder to mix it up.
And been no more effective. You're basically talking about aesthetics. The fact of the matter is that Ginn blocked the DB enough that the back was able to score.
You must be joking, right? As for costing us that game, which I don't agree with btw as our defense had alot to do with it too, Ted single handedly won the second Jets game while putting a hurt on Revis Island in the first so all in all I'd say he more than evened it out. (I'd much rather beat the JETS twice than the Saints once!) Oh, and BTW, had the Fins HC not called a TO and the Ref opened his eyes on the Sharper INT we would have had a much better chance to win that game than Ted's so called screwup caused us to lose it.
Never understood how Ted gets blamed for the Saints game when Bess' fumble at the end of the first half is what gave the Saints momentum. Bess' fumbles were killer last year and he is talked about like a legend around here.
B/c once a player becomes the target he gets blamed for far more than his share. If it had been Camarillo who had flubbed the pass that got picked off and then just like Ginn, he had chased him down and caused the intercepter to fumble it through the endzone, people would have focused on the ref's bad call. But since it was Ginn the focus is on his screw-up and off all the other players/refs who screwed up in the game.
Yes I'm saying the call probably was a fade route in the end zone and this is a different playbook, and San Fran is trying to get an idea of what Ted Ginn can and can't do.
That is just not true. I'm sorry but it isn't. I'm grading college WRs all day long and if I see blocks like that, I'm dinging them for it. And then the other guys like Mayock and them catch up as well, and say hey, this guy doesn't block. And he gets a bad grade for it, goes lower than he could. That's not standard fare in the NFL and it sure as sh-t is standard fare on the Miami Dolphins. Ginn actually blocked a lot better than that for the Dolphins. Which is ironic, because here we're accused of taking plays where "he didn't do anything wrong" and saying he did wrong on them, but here you guys have isolated a play where "he didn't do anything right" and you're calling it a "key block".
He didn't even think to try, which is very Ted Ginn-like. And that's a bad thing, because Ted Ginn is not a good football player.
If finishing plays is "aesthetics" then give me a team full of aesthetically pleasing football players. I didn't realize that every time coaches scream for players to "finish" it was just because they want them to look pretty for the camera.
