2010 Florida Marlins Thread

Hey guys, so I thought that instead of always having to keep our marlins talk here we could have a larger pasture to roam. Thus I created this site. http://thefloridamarlin.proboards.com Check it out, tell me what you think and maybe join

 

I'm already a part of www.soflamarlins.com

It's easily the most knowledgeable Marlins community on the web. Highly recommend it for anyone who loves the Marlins/baseball.

 

I'm on Marlinsbaseball.com Although, SoFlaMarlins.com looks nice.

 

I have no problem with the idea of keeping the Marlin talk here....

 

Neither do I .

Texas seems very interested in Cantu.

 

Bobby Valentine is on the Le Batard Show right now. Le Batard says he's going to ask about the managerial interview process.

 

Bobby V is being cagey, but it sounds like he's not quite sure what went wrong either.

Stugotz asks if he's interested in the Chicago job, Valentine starts talking about how he signed a contract with ESPN and considers it disrespectful when people ask if he's not going to live up to that contract and hangs up in mid-sentence.

I'm still glad we didn't hire this guy.

 

Seems to have taken an extra dusche-pill this morning

 

Part of his daily diet.

As far as Texas' interest in Cantu goes, if we can get a non-expiring bullpen arm back, sure.

 

Why?

 

They'll probably post the interview on the 790 website later. Listen to it and tell me if you want a guy who sounds like that to manage your team. I don't.

 

I've always liked him. You should have heard him do the game on ESPN. Very knowledgeable about both teams and their tendancies. Very impressive.

 

Good to see the bullpen and Tank especially is still doing wonderful

 

Tank is a LOOGY.

 

Coghlan hurt his knee trying to pie Wes Helm, may have a tear in his MCL but he's going on the DL. Logan Morrison is being called up to play LF and all of the sudden Florida has gotten better overnight.

 

How have we gotten better?

 

Simply because Logan Morrison is a better player than Chris Coghlan.

 

And you're wrong.

 

Ok how so?

 

Morrison, at this point of time in their careers, is not better than Coghlan.

 

Come on Cogs... what an awful way to get injured. Hope he has no lasting damage.

 

I'm not sure how you can say that since Morrison is a much better talent already. The only thing Coghlan has over Morrison is that he's been in the MLB for 219 games. So other than experience and possibly defense since Morrison hasn't played a lot of OF (although Coghlan isn't a great defender by any means), Morrison is the better player. By switching Coghlan and his weak bat out of the line up for Morrison the Marlins will be a better team because they will have a much better bat in the line-up especially at a corner OF spot, where Coghlan was giving them zero power production.

 

It's very possible and maybe even likely that Logan can come in and outproduce Coghlan. Chris has been awful for all but one month. I think he (Logan) is the better player to be honest.

 

Does he have the talent to be the better player? Yes. Is he better than him now? No. I don't know how you guys can say that when Coghlan has WON Rookie of the Year, and Morrison has yet to have an At bat up in the bigs.

Coghlan's bat isn't weak. He was starting to heat up. You can tell he was getting ready to go on a tear. Now, we have to deal with a rookie who might struggle while getting worse defensively.

 

Look up these names and tell me how the rest of their MLB careers faired:
Angel Berroa, Bobby Crosby, Jason Jennings, Ben Grieve, Todd Hollandsworth, Marty Cardova, Bob Hamelin, etc. I'm nto saying Coghlan is going to flame out like those guys but the ROTY award means little to nothing in this discussion. Sometimes guys win the award simply because there weren't any other good rookies that year (you can make the arguement that Tommy Hanson deserved it but that's a different debate). A perfect example is if you took Coghlan's 2009 season and put him up for the ballot this year he wuldn't even crack the top 5 right now.

Coghlan does have a weak bat as his SLG % is .383 which is terrible for a corner OFer. I'm not even mentioning his low OBP either. He hasn't been good this year outside of 1 month.

Just because Morrison hasn't had a MLB at bat doesn't mean he's not better either. It's a 2 way street there.

 

Those names mean nothing. We're comparing Coghlan, who has won an award for his great play, to Morrison, who has done nothing so far. You're comparing what Morrison is projected to do to what Coghlan has done this season.

Like I said, Coghlan was heating up. He was getting ready to unleash hell. Now, we have to rely on Morrison who has to adjust to MLB pitching. As of now, Coghlan is the better player, not Morrison.

 

I simply disagree.

 

Their minor league stats are very similar. Hard to tell the difference between the two TBH. Aside from one big year in A Ball (24 Home Runs), Morrison hasn't really shown much power potential.

I don't how much of an upgrade it is for the time being. Maybe in the long run, but I don't see it making that much of a difference this season.

 

Coghlan was also drafted out college and is several years older. The biggest difference between the two is higher walk rate, lower k rate, and much more projected power.

 

He's been awful this year though. His OPS by month is .437, .673, 1.105, and .504. Other than 3 huge weeks, he's been terrible. All Morrison has to do is be a bottom 5 player in baseball for 3/4ths of his time up to match Chris' production.

 

Lol @ "ready to unleash hell" is that a projection as well?

 

No disagreement there. He has been bad. Simply pointing out the similarities in their minor league numbers. Their OBP/OPS/SLG were all very similar.

But, if we are looking at trends, one would have to assume Coghlan's numbers would come back close to his career numbers. Granted, those numbers themselves may not be great, but if Morrison continues his minor league numbers (you would have to assume they'd be slightly lower to compensate for better pitching at the Major League level) and Coghlan's numbers come back to where they were, you basically have the same player, as I said before.

Basically, IMO, this neither hurts or helps the Marlins in the short-term. However, it does get some AB's for Morrison and possibly grooms him to take over in LF, as Coghlan is probably more of a CF with his power production.

 

Coghlan was good in 2009 but he wasn't great. Like I said if it was any other year he probably doesn't come close to winning the award since he didn't put up big HR/RBI totals which is what the voters look for whether it's right or wrong. Just saying that ROTA is meaningless in this discussion.

Yeah Coghlan was heating up that's why he was hitting .209/.280/.224/.504 in July. Again outside of his big June he's been bad this year.

I guess we just have to agree to disagree and wait and see if Morrison out produces Coghlan or not. You don't know that Coghlan would have 'unleashed hell' or that Morrison would need time to adjust to MLB pitching. As for who's the better player I think Morrison is the better player but again we'll see.

Morrison broke his hamate bone in 2009 which zapped all of his power, that type of injury usually takes a full year to heal and to regain the power lost.

As for the minor league numbers you're right they are pretty similiar but Morrison has a higher ceiling and a chance to become a star. Morrison by all accounts has a better approach at the plate and could be a 25+ HR guy since he has a lot of raw power something Coghlan isn't. Considering how bad Coghlan has been just getting him out of the line up is an upgrade. Will Morrison make a difference for Florida? Probably not but he does make them better if only to get Coghlan out of the line up right now.

I'm not trying to put Coghlan down or say he's not a useful MLB player but Morrison is the better talent here with a higher upside.

 

Agree on most points, except that Coghlan is an IF by trade and only an OF by necessity. He's pretty much a butcher in LF, CF would be a nightmare.

 

You're probably right. I only mentioned CF because that's typically where guys go who aren't power hitters. Also, I read something to the effect of Dan Uggla possible re-signing, so 2B might not be an option for Coghlan. Unless they want to try him at 3rd, although I think the Fish have Matt Dominguez there IINM.

EDIT: Just looked at Dominguez' minor league stats. Yikes. Dude's been a train wreck. At least he's only 20 years old.

 

No, just the way he was playing. He was on a tear and you could tell because he was the same way last season.

 

He had a .850 OPS, and set records. That's a defenite ROY.

I brought that point up to prove that Coghlan has had success up in the bigs. Morrisson hasn't. Until he does, Coghlan is the better play. For all we know, Morrisson could be another Jeremy Hermida.

I said he was ready to unleash hell because he was hitting the ball well this week, and you could just tell he was going to have another high OPS month.

 

Not sure in what world Dominguez has been a train wreck but okay.

EDIT: I forgot that most people on here don't really follow Marlins prospects. He's been a notoriously slow starter and since May, has put up a mid-750 OPS. Not too bad for the 4th youngest player in the league. Especially with his glove. He's right on time.

 

Way too much arguing about a player going through a sophomore slump.

Wes Helms will be on Le Batard at 6 PM EST.

 

New lineup, at least for today is:

Ramirez SS
Morrison LF
Sanchez 1B
Uggla 2B
Helms 3B
Ross CF
Stanton RF
Paulino C
Johnson P