THE OFFICIAL MIAMI HEAT SUMMER of 2010 Thread.

Riley is trying to move up (#18 + Beasley) for DeMarcus Cousins.



Outside shot, but if it happens... there's your center. Not quite your defensive center, but your center nonetheless.

Doesn't shed much cap space, so forget about third max, but Cousins might be good enough to be OK with it. Would still have the $8 million or so remaining to fill out. Perhaps take a shot at John Salmons, or a split between say Udonis Haslem and Mike Miller.

G - Chalmers / Arroyo
G - Wade / Bell / Cook
F - Miller / Wright / Jones
F - Amare / Haslem
C - Cousins / Anthony

I don't know. This line up heavily depends on Cousins panning out, and fast. That type of talent is tough to pass up on, but I'd still prefer to move Beasley + Jones with #18 for cap space and go all out in July. I also think that's more likely, aside from Jones being included. It'll be difficult to include him. Just have to hope he can get and stay healthy, because he's a very solid reserve player when he is. It's a shame we've never seen him healthy. I was so excited when we nabbed him.

 

Well the Eddy Curry comparisons are certainly there, but I don't think his weight is THAT much of an issue. What bothers me is his lack of effort put forth defensively. I credit that towards Kentucky's failure last season. They were the most talented team in college hoops, IMO.

I doubt it happens though. Some ****** on Hoops World started these rumors of Miami trying to move up in the lottery.

 

I'd be surprised if Michael Beasley is still a Miami Heat come Friday morning.

In fact I really hope he isn't.

 

Sect was speculating that Greg Odin could be had cheaply, does anyone think Riley makes a run at him?

 

I don't think they'd move him for Beasley, which is the best we've got to offer. An Aldridge/Beasley front court would get pounded on a consistent basis in the West. Every single night. That might just make for the weakest front court in the league. Aldridge is twice the player at PF that he is when playing C. Portland needs to hope and pray that Oden can somehow get it together and stay healthy.

 

cousins is a big cry baby too...i would not draft him...and oden is not available for "cheap"

well i hope not. as the team is now, he's still the key to portland becoming title contenders

 

totally agree. Not to mention beasley wouldn't start over nicolas batum at er or aldridge at pf so you're giving up a starting c with huge upside for essentially a sixth man? Ew.

 

IMO Beas is still a great player, he's just not meant to be in Miami with Wade.

 

Not a good enough rebounder to be a PF and too big and slow to be a SF. I dont care what the numbers say hes not a winning player. Hes a poor rebounder (6.4 per game), disappeared in the playoffs...you'll have to excuse me if Im not sold.

 

Jalen Rose's sources?

 

From everything I've heard, there are less than a handful of teams that would consider giving up something "valuable" for Beasley.

 

i thought i'd add a little perspective on beasley with some stats i stole from ira's blog. they are from an email that argues spo miscast beasley, and the heat management can be blamed for the stunted development of bease, mario, cook and wright.

the first point of the email is that beasley should've never played the small foward postion. the stats below show beasley's production at the 3 vs. the 4. even though he didn't play the 3 that much, that brief stint to start the 4th quarter usually had him at the 3.


Small Forward Stats

* .403 effective field goal percentage
* .504 opponent effective field goal percentage
* 14.9 PER
* 18.8 opponent PER

Power Forward Stats

* .473 effective field goal percentage
* .476 opponent effective field goal percentage
* 18.9 PER
* 17.3 opponent PER


those are pretty high PER numbers for a second year pf. however, at the three beasley allows a 18.8 PER and 0.504 %. when watching the games, it was clear that michael is not a sf, even though everybody wants him to be because of his 6'8" height, and the fact that haslem was on the bench. his cumulative opponent PER is still higher than his own cumulative PER.


also, the email argued beasley plays better when he's not afraid to get pulled after making a mistake. when haslem doesn't play there's a huge jump in beasley's numbers.

Cumulative Games without Udonis or Udonis 5-plus Fouls (7 games total)

* Points per game average : 22.3
* Rebounds per game average : 9.1
* FG percentage: 49.6
* FT percentage: 92.6
* Minutes per game average : 35.57

All Other Games (71 games total)

* Points per game average : 14.1
* Rebounds per game average : 6.1
* FG percentage: 44.4
* FT percentage: 78.4
* Minutes per game average : 29.28


it's a small sample size, but worth looking at. i'm not a big fan of beasley. in fact i think he's the ted ginn of the miami heat, but the email helped make me think he sucks a little less, or might have some "value."

ira's blog: http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_basketball_heat/

 

It depends on the system. In our P&R system, Beasley would be SF, not just because he's only 6'8, but the rest of his physical attributes. He's not built like an ideal PF, especially one that Pat Riley would've liked. He's not built like, nor does he play like, a PJ Brown, Anthony Mason, Ike Austin, Brian Grant, Grant Long, Horace Grant, Larry Johnson, ect. Those are the types of PFs Riley likes(despite not all of them playing for him), especially in our system, we need a PF that crashes rebounds, put-backs, and plays aggressive D. Beasley, talented as he is, is none of those things. Now in a system like what D'Anthoni has or Don Nelson or George Karl, a running "Fun N Gun" system, he would excel. Those are also systems that time and time again are proven not to get you anywhere. You wont win a championship in that kind of system. I dont care what Shawn Marion said when we traded him, yes half court P&R systems, boring as they are, do work.

So yes, Beasley played SF at times because of our system, due to his physical frame and the type of player he is. But even Spo admitted Beasley is a PF and playing him at SF would up being counterproductive. Even so, I cannot blame him or Pat Riley for him not developing. You cannot fit a square peg in a round hole not matter how hard you try. Not to mention Beasley did himself a disservice by doing stupid things and by not being mature enough to handle playing in the NBA. It wasn't going to work. But he does have value, even if its small. I personally would trade Beasley just to get cap space, because essentially you'd be trading Beasley for prospective FA who's bound to be better and more productive than he, such as a Joe Johnson or a John Salmons. But I dont run any NBA teams and that's why Pat Riley still does. Riley knows Beasley has value, Riley knows who he can get and who is tradeable. I wouldnt read too much into Hyde or even Ira Winderman when it comes to this, all they can provide is speculation until a move is actually made.

 

i think we're in agreement. i'm just hoping someone else sees value in beasley. as for ira, it was an email to him, and if you check the other blog entries he's usually on point. yesterday's blog was about wade's july 9th resigning party. as for hyde, once again i think we're in agreement.

 

hold up, how did horace grant get in that list. did you just get "grant happy" and throw him in?

also grant long never played for riley, but i get your point. i argued briefly in the 2008 heat thread that i don't think beasley is a riley pf.

 

ric bucher reporting heat traded cook and 18th pick to the thunder for their 38th pick(i think, not entirely sure what the pick is)

 

Wow. I'm waiting for a link but I'm sure you're telling the truth.

This means Riley is all in on the 3 max idea. This also makes it easier to trade Beasley since we won't be trying to pawn anybody else off on the team that takes him.

Riley has got to know he has one max in the bag (amare probably) and that he has a real chance at LBJ.

 

Check this out:

The Bulls spending big money in FA? The Clips? Really? They are time share rentals in their own buidling.

Come to poppa Riley Lebron...

 

Got it from ESPN via text. It says 32nd overall.

 

So if we're going with a big three lineup, who's the third piece? Rudy Gay?

Also, how does Haslem factor into this? Did the birthday party make an impression?

 

Do you think he's told Riley he's on board with taking less money this year with the promise of getting paid down the road?

 

That's a shame. Haslem is the ultimate team player, very underrated throughout his career, IMO.

But he makes Orlando better if he indeed goes there.

 

Skolnick on Twitter:

 

Agreed. That's why I put it out there.

 

$2.8 million in total shed.

If they were trying to convince Amare to take slightly less than the max to open up space for Joe Johnson to sign for say $10-11 million per, it is now unnecessary. 2 Max + $11 million is what we have to work with presently.

More moves coming tomorrow night, IMO.

 

If JJ isn't moved we can shed a few million by buying out his contract.

 

Best option IMO