2010 Florida Marlins Thread

I don't know whether to be happy or mad that we won 14-9.

 

this bullpen is killing me. it NEEDS to be addressed!!

 

Can't happen, i's being made with bullet proof glass. I kid you not.

 

Both, I'm glad we hit that well and Stanton getting a triple and a double for his first extra base hits were great. Should give him more confidence. Mad because the bullpen and defense were awful at the end.

Oh and Desides, Loria is still better than Wayne H as far as owners. Although I won't forgive Loria for firing Joe Girardi.

 

Mad. Any time you give up 9 runs, victory or not, you have to be pissed.

Bulletproof glass is made to stop high velocity impacts from small projectiles. While foul balls don't move as fast as a bullet, they're significantly larger. I wonder if the tech could hold up. Even if the glass doesn't shatter, I'd imagine there'd be some cracking or marking. It just seems like a pointless addition, though I admit it's better than looking at advertisements in the background.

Huh? Wayne was the best sports owner in Miami during his tenure. Loria being better than Wayne is like saying the Pinto is a better car than a Porsche 911.

 

What did Wayne do really? Yes he brought the Marlins to South Florida but dismantled them after that 97 World Series, but that wasn't the only way he crippled the franchise. After he sold the team he still owned the stadium and so almost all of the money the Marlins made off of parking and concessions and the like went to Wayne's pocket. This is in my opinion the biggest reason why the fish have had such a small payroll over the years. So many people credit the poor attendance, but it's hard to make a profit when most of your revenue is going to someone else.

Also if you go to the Dolphins, I don't see what he did that was so great. Wayne was a great businessman and I'll give him that, but he didn't know football. He allowed Dan to be pushed out the door. Then his lack of football knowledge allowed Dave Wandstedt to stay around for so long. Why do you think Wayne was always trying to get Ron Wolf to un-retire? Because that way he'd have somebody in charge of the football aspect that the knew what they were doing. This is exactly why Parcells was brought in here. Also Wayne was too loyal. Remember before we Dave's last year we had that large internal review/coaching search? And remember the best option to fix that was to just take away Dave's GMing duties. Really? That was the best option?

That is why I feel Wayne wasn't a great owner.

 

Anything his football people asked of him while electing to renovate and improve the current stadium rather than seek taxpayer money for a new stadium.

The only thing we can ding Wayne for is his choice of coaches, but ownership involves much, much more than that. And Wayne let his coaches coach and his managers manage. He didn't interfere with them. He knew his limits. In contrast, Jeff Loria inhabits another reality where you can refrain from seriously improving the roster and expect better results the next year.

Wayne was a great owner. Loria is not.

 

Anyway. According to Barry Jackson, we're trying to trade for bullpen help, but are unwilling to trade Logan Morrison and Matt Dominguez to get that help.

I wouldn't mind trading either one if it means getting true long-term bullpen competence. Our farm system is pretty deep.

 

In NO way should the Marlins or any team trade top prospects for bullpen arms unless you're getting Mariano Rivera in his prime and have him locked up in a long term deal. Bullpen arms are way too unpredictable from year to year. That would be a bad move.

 

agreed 100%

 

Note the part I said about "true long-term bullpen competence."

If moving Morrison or Dominguez means we get a reliable bullpen guy worth keeping, then I say do it. Otherwise, don't.

We're not in disagreement.

 

I wouldn't trade MOrrison or Dominguez even if it meant a long term relief prospect.

 

If the goal is to make the playoffs this year, and the reliever in question is as close to a guarantee as you can get, then you pull the trigger. That's the point of winning now.

It'll be interesting to see if we indeed move any prospects this year.

 

I'd rather not jeapordize the future for this year.

 

Loria has said repeatedly that he expects to make the playoffs this year.

 

Renyol Pinto DFA'd.

 

More bullpen action. RHP Sanabia and LHP Houser called up.

 

Hunter Jones has been released. Man, we stink at trades; D-Train for Maybin and Miller seems to be a bust, and now one of the main guys we got for Jeremy K. Hermida is gone.

 

You mean D-Train and Miguel Cabrera for Maybin and Miller.

Also, Hunter Jones wasn't expected to contribute much, anyway. I wouldn't consider this a loss for us in the trade.

 

You win some, you lose some. Andrew Miller was a top prospect, and I think the #1 prospect in the Tigers organization before he was called up.

You have to remember though that Miggy and D-Train were basically given up because the Marlins weren't willing to pay their salaries. They were basically at the mercy of Detroit there.

Personally, I wouldn't have included Miggy any deal that didn't have Justin Verlander in it, but again, they were at Detroit's mercy because they had to make a deal.

Luckily for the Braves, the Marlins didn't ask for Jair Jurrjens.

 

The Cabrera/Willis for Maybin/Miller trade seemed pretty even at the time since both Maybin and Miller were highly regarded but now it does look like an awful trade, even if you figure in Willis' dead weight. Imagine what the Marlins could have gotten for Cabrera if they held on to him a little longer. Certainly not a good deal now.

You also got P Jose Alvarez for Hermida. I'm surprised FL has given up on Jones so quickly, granted he was never anything special (neither is Alvarez who wasn't even in the Red Sox top 30 prospects at the time of the deal), but he only got into 3 games for FL this year and although his numbers in the minors weren't great he's still a LHP. Maybe they're hoping that he will clear waivers and they could stick him in their minor league system.

How is the trade not a loss for FL? They traded Hermida for 1.2 innings worth of Hunter Jones before they DFA'ed him. Florida would probably have non-tendered Hermida a contract thus releasing him for the 2010 season but the fact reminds that they still got nothing in return for him, Hermida has actually been pretty useful at times this year for the Sox, even if his overall numbers don't show it. A Red Sox fan has to consider that trade a win for sure. The Marlins aren't going to lose any sleep over the deal but it was still a bad trade for them.

 

Pretty sure Jones just had TJ.

 

Yeah at the time Miller was #1 and Maybin was #2 I believe. Andrew Miller was considered the best LHP prospect in the minors at the time and one of the better pitching prospects period (I remember a lot of scouts liked Miller's stuff more than Lester's and post TJ surgery Liriano) while Maybin was considered another Curtis Granderson/Grady Sizemore. At the time people thought the deal was pretty even, especially since Willis was already on his decline, but that's the problem with prospects, you just never know.

 

Jones had surgery in college, not sure if it was TJ, and that's why he went undrafted and signed with Boston as a FA a few years ago. But I couldn't find any info on Jones being hurt now thus the reason for him being released.

 

This trade literally means nothing. This isn't a trade you win or lose. It's addition by subtraction for the Marlins. They were just looking to get rid of Hermida to get him off the roster.

 

Something that'll really piss off Marlins fans; they turned down a trade for that would've been Hermida for Francoeur straight up

 

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/marlins/2010/06/22/hunter-jones-expected-to-have-elbow-surgery-florida-marlins-hope-to-re-sign-him/

I actually coach the Marlins trainers kid in baseball so I get a lot of medical info a few days before anyone else.

 

Gotcha, good info.

 

http://www.seats3d.com/mlb/florida_marlins/

3D-Seat Views of the new park

 

Freddie Gonzalez just was fired per ESPN 760.

 

Well Loria wanted Fredi gone at the end of the last year. I don't know how I feel about this.

 

Oh crap. I didn't believe it and laughed at first, but wow. What happened there?

 

maybe now they can grow their hair and goatees? or is that a loria "i want to be the yankees" rule?

 

Memo to Loria: Fredi Gonzalez was far from the best thing about this team, but he wasn't the problem. To find that, look in the mirror.

I guess this nullifies Loria's "playoffs or bust" talk. Any guesses who'll be the full manager? Then again, maybe Rodriguez will work for a sufficiently low salary that Loria will keep him full time.

Edit: Beinfest and Samson will be on the LeBatard Show this afternoon. Ought to be interesting.

 

If it wasn't for Beinfest, the Marlins would be the Pirates. He is the only positive thing this organization has going for them from a Front Office perspective. Loria doesn't know dick about baseball. I feel sorry for Marlins fans you have to tolerate that guy owning your team.

BTW, Let's say Fredi goes to Atlanta next year and has some success, maybe even goes to a World Series (it could happen). That would mean he's fired two managers who didn't deserve it who went and had success. Still an *if*, but very possible.

 

It's literally Bud Selig's fault. I can't wait to see him get kicked out of the commissioner's office, but I know the next guy will probably not have a problem with Selig's South Florida baseball infanticide.

I definitely think Fredi will want to go back to ATL, especially if he's promised the manager's job when Bobby Cox is ready to go. And then he'll laugh evilly in the clubhouse whenever the Braves beat the Marlins.

I really wish Loria would sell the damn team already. He's the Uwe Boll of baseball owners.

 

From Marlins Diehards:

My thoughts exactly.

 

And one more opinion, this time from Twitter. Credit to Ethan Skolnick who retweeted and thus brought it to my attention.

 

Oh, no. The Sun-Sentinel is floating the idea of Bobby Valentine as the next Marlins manager.

It's just speculation, but it fits Loria's M.O. perfectly.

Though I admit Ozzie Guillen as Marlins manager would be a kick in the *** for the franchise in terms of local profile. The Marlins would make headlines just because of Guillen's press conferences. The franchise could do worse.