Atogwe value compared to British Petroleum Stock

He is asking for too much. I'd give him 4 Mil a year not 7.

 

Hell I guess I never got that memo

 

I just figured everyone in Club was plotting how to get rid of me

I get grief from all sides here all the time so i really don't see the insiders coming down into the main to hassle non private members. It's not hard to see there are a lot of folks in here that know more about the Dolphins than in the private section and vice versa. I'm opinionated and a pain in the *** sometimes but that isn't the only reason why I am here. There are a lot of talented and knowledgeable people here. No complaints. I enjoy reading just as much as posting.

 

Any business has a spending cap. There may not be a CBA salary cap, but Parcells and Ross have a cap on spending CBA or not. Any business that is successful has a set amount they want to/can spend. Whether or not they could have gotten Rolle along with the other guys they wanted to get is up for discussion. That said, Rolle isn't in the Sanders/Reed/Palomaolo status and wasn't worth that kind of money....

 

Question is, after reality imposes itself and he gets ready to accept reasonable money, where does he go? Back to the Rams? To the Lions? Give me a freaking break. That's like going to Hell voluntarily. Nobody wants to be on a perennial laughing stock. If he's any kind of a competitor, he's going to want to go where he has a chance to win, or at least to shine while he proves to the rest of the NFL that he's back from the shoulder on a one-year deal. Then, if he does well, next year he goes for the ridiculous payday, or he signs a long term deal for reasonable money now if he wants a sure thing. That's when the Trifecta pounces. Wait and see.

 

I doubt we ever see a salary cap again unless it is a rookie one which is long overdue but you have to prepare for the cap to return.
I agree with your post and also we went out and gave a pile of cash to Dansby and Marshall yet some still complain. The FO knows what they would pay Atogwe and won't move on that fair market value. Smart move.

 

I think there is going to be a cap.

Players are going to get their 4 year eligibility back. Might even do away with the franchise tags

 

I dunno but I wouldn't mind seeing a hybrid version of the old Plan B where you can only protect a hand full of players regardless of years. We were told originally when they went to free agency the little markets would get snuffed. Hasn't really ever happened so it is a myth. Staying uncapped is the same animal. Once the cap is gone it will be tough to bring it back but as stated before you have to prepare for that. I went on a tangent of course but a rookie ceiling has to be put in place IMO.

 

Excuse me, but I 'entered the fray' as you say because of what you posted, not because I happen to be fortunate enough to be able to afford the $24 a year for the Club membership. And if you check my posts, I post just about equally in both forums and you were the one mentioning someone on crack, not me. I just commented how outrageous it was to think that way. The bottom line is that his agent is trying to get him as much as he possibly can. Most teams have allocated their expenditures by now and adding as much as Atogwe is demanding is probably, as you said, out of the question. I would also stand by the comments you made because at $7M a year, he certainly would be overpaid, however to personalize it because I am a club member or FinHeaven member or some other site is ridiculous...

BTW, I happen to agree with you that his asking price is overblown and he likely won't get it. He's a second tier FS. A good one and one that would help this team, but he's asking for what seems to be way too much for his talent. The fact is though, he'd help this team no matter what price we pay for him...if at all...

I would have sent this via a private message as I don't like to jump on any poster publicly, but you have it turned off. We all have a right to say within reason what we want. I don't see myself as any better than anyone else and less than many. I think you may have overstepped it some in this post.

However, please believe me that my being a Club member had nothing to do with my response...

 

Nope, Just me!

You're alright in my book bud =)

 

There really has to be a cap. Even with this being an "uncapped year' the owners seemed to have had a secret handshake deal in place. No team has went out and tried to buy a championship. I don't see the owners agreeing to anything that would a) adversely effect their profit b) Kill the small market teams c) effect the leagues parity.

Parity is great for the game. Everything they currently worked to put in place i.e. Cap, draft order, and free agency etc is going to be back one way or the other.

The owners hold all the cards here, especially if like before they are willing to let the players walk. I mean it's not like the players can go any where else and make the money they make playing in the NFL.

 

I really haven't seen anything like that here. I mean my opinion is the most important, I think we can all acknowledge that, but I have no desire to support someone because they have a club badge or not. Nor have I seen anyone do that.

The Club is the most active forum, but that is because this site was pretty much founded with VIP members from Finheaven. When the split happened, pretty much all of the VIP forum members moved here and continued donating and posting in the subscription forum. There are posters who's opinions I value more than others, but that is because of my experience with the content of their posts, or knowledge of their knowledge, and not because of a badge.

**edit**

And thinking about it, there is a definite shift in activity towards the main forum lately.

 

Don't forget that the VIP members on Finheaven who came here were grandfathered in as Club members without paying, until it came time for renewal. That resulted in the VIP'ers and Club members being the same people. It ended up being a seamless transition of the same group.

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i would be shocked if this is really miami´s offer on the table, i strongly believe if it would be, he would have already signed with us

 

70% of the players didn't get injured as recently as last December. When you get injured right before your due to enter FA it always affects your value.

 

everything has a real & fair value in an economy, the market price. trust in BillParcells & Co. they will not be goaded or intimidated into a bad deal. we need a competent & experienced FreeSafety, they need a fair market price & winning team. got to be & will be a win/win to close a deal.

 

He had the shoulder injury and the sports hernia. Since this is not his only injury, semantically it is accurate to say he has an injury history (actually it would still be semantically accurate even if he only had one injury). The part of that history that is affecting his ability to get offers is the timing of the most recent injury. And that was the point we've been discussing. How good is Atogwe? I said he was a borderline pro bowl S, that he wasn't as good as the top tier guys but that he was on the second tier. You claimed that if he were really a borderline pro bowl player, 31 teams would be lined up at his door.

You seem to believe that was the sole determining factor and that his lack of offers was proof that he wasn't that good. I pointed out that there were many factors that would affect his offers and listed some of those factors. For some reason you argued about me listing his injury history among them but stated in another post that they were asking too much for a guy with a torn up shoulder. Since you agree that his injury history is clearly a factor his lack of offers do not constitute proof that he is not a borderline pro bowl S as I stated.

You then went on to admit in another post that he was a good player. I have no idea where you put the line between second tier and good so I'm not even sure what you are arguing about.

 

I'm a club member, can I join in on this discussion or will that offend your sensibilities?

I'll even remove my cape if need be

 

If you (or anyone else) can afford it, I highly suggest the Club Level..... besides supporting the site, there's some great stuff in there, especially in the off season. This year was my first experience in there and I'm very happy with it. It's worth it just for the off season/draft stuff alone.

 

Well, for whatever reason when I clicked the pm button under your screen name it wouldn't let me send one...maybe it's my problem...

It's not that I'm shy about confronting anyone, I just felt you stereotyped me into a group that felt they were better than others...not true...at any rate, it's pretty obvious by now that things likely won't be happening with Atogwe here. And as I said, whether you or I like or dislike Atogwe, we are a better team with him than with the current guys we have at FS...

If they choose to add him and pay him $7M then they must feel he's worth it. It's not my money. That said, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it one way or the other. If the troika feels that Clemons or Culver can step up, that's good enough for me...

 

For the record I am better than everybody else.

 

First nothing in my post was a "tale". Every player has an injury history, good or bad. And Atogwe's injury history is one of the factors that will affect his ability to get offers. This is obvious and even you have stated as much. Why you are stuck on the issue is a mystery.

Second, I stated that that Atogwe was a a borderline pro bowl player, that he wasn't as good as the top tier players, that he was in the second tier. You stated he was a good player. I don't see much of a difference between the two, so I asked why you were arguing the distinction.

Third, I have no idea why you think I'm trying to make the board believe anything. You stated your opinion and I stated mine. For some reason you took this as an attack. I don't see anything in this entire thread attacking you, not from me or any club member, so I don't know what your issue is. If I missed some comment that was a personal attack, please point it out. In fact, the only attempts to make anything personal come from you, alleging that club members are trying to intimidate you, claiming that I am trying to pretend I'm smart to impress the board, saying that I'm looking for an argument, etc. Now you did post a general apology, but I have no idea if that was directed at me since those comments are still there and you didn't clarify. I can assure you that I have no issue with you since I have no idea who you are besides some guy who has been here about a month. I come here for intelligent discourse without engaging in personal attacks. If I can't have that with you, that's fine. There are many intelligent posters here with whom that is possible.

 

not much movement. thank God the World Cup starts tomorrow

 

Let him stew while the price drops. Then make our move.


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