The Official Miami Heat 09/10 Countdown to Contention Thread.

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  1. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Not to worry Minnesota Teams are known for choking down the stretch. Also Al Jefferson hasn't recovered from his knee injury and has been like this all year. Also he doesn't fit in the triangle offense at all.
     
  2. High Definition

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    Minnesota choked well, but are you kidding me...

    One point game with 28 seconds left after Dorell Wright hits another jumper, and we actually watched Minnesota kill the 24 seconds without fouling? What type of strategy is that. You've got to be kidding me. I don't think I've ever seen an NBA team not foul there. Pat Riley has to be laughing. I know he's not mad at this. You can only laugh at such a horrendous decision.

    I'm done with this *** clown now.
     
  3. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Wade plays Minnesota loses by double digits. I thought for sure the Heat would foul once the clock ticked past 24 seconds left.
     
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    Any half normal human being with an ounce of basketball knowledge calls his team to foul in that situation.

    What a wasted career night for Dorell Wright... and even funnier that he logged almost the same amount of PT as Daequan Cook.

    I'm done with this cluster F.

    Pat Riley, if you build this team properly in the summer YOU BETTER COME BACK AND COACH IT! :D
     
  5. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    WTF are you talking about?

    Dorrell scored with 28 seconds left. the NBA has a 24 second shot clock.

    you play defense...get a stop and go for the win with 4 seconds left.

    There is not ONE COACH in HISTORY that would foul there.

    Did you watch the game?

    you want to foul down 1 with a stop to get? really? ah...you are fired.
     
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  6. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    WHY?

    Wright scored with 28 seconds left.

    BTW...THE STRATEGY WORKED OUT.

    Kevin Love just kept the play alive and we failed to get a rebound.
     
  7. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    BTW, the announcers themselves were on their feet screaming "don't foul!" on that last sequence. Dwyane Wade grabbed Chalmers and told him "don't reach in" before that sequence.

    everybody in that arena knew not to foul there.

    stop looking for excuses to blame Spo. This one is pretty elementary.
     
  8. Desides

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    What did Sir Charles say now?
     
  9. High Definition

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    F that... I honestly do not care what the announcers say. I've been playing competitive basketball all my life. If the announcers scream "Fire Spoelstra!" are YOU going to agree with them? Hell no. You foul, send them to the line, and live to fight some more. 28 seconds is a lifetime in a close NBA game. You don't allow Minnesota to run the clock down to 4 seconds... 4 seconds... are you kidding me? What type of play can you draw up in 4 seconds? Ah, my bad. Didn't have to ask that question. A team contested triple from Daequan Cook... a player that the head coach himself doesn't even believe in enough to give decent PT when Wade is healthy.

    Why run it down to 4 seconds when at most you're down three if you foul? You can go for the quick two on the next possession and foul again with about 15-20 seconds to go. The negatives outweigh the positives a ton when you DON'T foul in that situation. What if you allow Minnesota to run the game clock down to 4 seconds and they hit a three to end the game? What if they hit a shot or draw the foul, or like what we actually saw happen... grab the rebound on a missed shot, kill another second, and get free throws? You just wasted 24-25 seconds, and you're in the worst case scenario you would have been if you fouled from the get go. Do you realize how many possessions you can get out of 28 seconds playing the free throw game? It's a stupid, stupid decision and Dwyane Wade must have a head injury rather than a strained calf if he agrees with it. I understand going after the steal for 5-10 seconds or so, BUT YOU DO NOT LET MINNESOTA RUN THE GAME CLOCK FROM 28 SECONDS TO 4 SECONDS WHEN YOU'RE DOWN. That is absolutely ******ed.

    Worst of all, this IDIOT of a coach runs the final play for Chalmers (who slipped on his way to the corner) with Cook as the secondary option. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Dorell Wright went 6-7 from three in that game... COOK IS HORRIBLE & CHALMERS IS HORRIBLE. I guess they compliment their head coach damn well.

    It's pretty obvious that he's a below average head coach at this stage. Maybe, just maybe... you can argue that he's dead average. If you want to go by what the announcers have to say as your basis, then cool, let's find the most popular Heat website and run a poll on Erik Spoelstra... you're going to get a 70/30 split that he does not deserve to keep his job next season.

    Section, you're my boy... but jeez is your opinion so tainted and biased when it comes to Erik Spoelstra. It's worse than the Ted Ginn fan club.
     
  10. High Definition

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    The funny thing that nobody mentions is that it's not only the decisions that Spo makes during games; it's that he has absolutely no control over his basketball team! Not even the veterans have enough respect for this guy's authority to follow the rules completely, and I don't want to speak on that because I don't like throwing people that I don't know personally under the bus. I think we all know what's going on, though, especially with Wade, Dorell, Q, Chalmers, Haslem, etc. and their excessive partying the night before games. I've stopped blaming the players. There are no consequences. There is no authority on this basketball team. There is one sheriff in this town, and he's only got control of the front office at the moment.

    If Pat Riley didn't feel like Stan Van Gundy was qualified enough to coach a title contender, then I wonder how he feels about Erik Spoelstra. Seriously. He better come back next season if he puts together a competitive enough basketball team over the summer.

    Hopefully Wade gives Riley an ultimatum: "Come back and coach this team for at least two years or I'm gone." Only because I know he'd go for it...
     
  11. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Because most of the Wolves can't make a free throw thats why you foul.
     
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    Seriously... if Minnesota runs the clock down all the way, misses, and Miami grabs the rebound... there is little over or under 3 seconds remaining.

    I don't get it at all.

    & I'm still laughing at: Daequan Cook + Mario Chalmers = 1/9 from three in the game. Dorell Wright = 6/7. Dorell Wright is third option on the final play.
     
  13. FinNasty

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    HD... I've been saying it for a while. Spo is one of the worst in the league...
     
  14. Section126

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    Not one coach in the league.

    NOT ONE.

    would foul there.

    which is to say that not ONE person that knows just a little about basketball strategy would foul there.

    again...

    NOT ONE.
     
  15. Section126

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    Dude, you are wrong.

    it is not even a debate.

    You jumped onto your excuse making and Spo caught his usual flack from you while you convinced yourself of a strategy.

    Your strategy was discussed and rejected by not only Spoelstra, but by Rothstein, McAdoo, Askins, and Fisdale.

    it was formed from YEARS of study under a HOF coach in pat Riley and formed from about 30 years of the modern game.

    You do not foul while behind with a stop to get. that is just dumb strategy.
     
  16. Section126

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    Good luck with that! LOL

    Wade hired Spoelstra.

    In fact..if Spo got fired...Wade would probably walk. ah...this is tooo oooooooo much!

    It's Spo's fault! the new ..."It's Bush's fault"!
     
  17. BuckeyeKing

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    I stated why you would because the Timberwolves are not a good free throw shooting team. Sure coaches wont foul but IMO they should have risked it.
     
  18. Section126

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    except that Jonny Flynn was the guy holding the ball int he last possession.

    He shoots 81.5% from the FT line.

    not a good guy to foul.

    and he got rid of the ball with 2 seconds left on the shot clock with a shot going up...so you can't foul then obviously.
     
  19. High Definition

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    Excuse making? What excuse making? I see none of that. If anything, you're the one who makes excuses after excuse after excuse when it comes to Spo.

    Get over yourself and get over Spo... he's not a good basketball coach at the pro level. PERIOD. The only thing that can make this guy is to be surrounded around an All Star team, which Pat Riley may be able to do in the summer. He better hope so.

    Funny thing is, I've seen Pat Riley foul in similar his entire coaching career. LOL!

    And Wayne H. hired Dave Wannstedt. Your point?

    This is the funniest crap I've ever read on this message board. THE funniest.

    Miami lands Bosh or Amare in addition to more players, and Wade walks because Spo is on his way out? OMG.

    There are worse, but in terms of Spo not being anything more than an average (to be generous) head coach, well, most basketball knowledgeable people agree with you.
     
  20. High Definition

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    There is a major misconception when it comes to the Spoelstra / Wade relationship.

    Major.

    If anything Dwyane Wade likes the freedom he didn't get when he had a coach that he actually respected authority wise.

    The players DO NOT respect the coach. That is why they do WHATEVER they want WHENEVER they want.

    You think Mario Chalmers would be on Twitter promoting parties on game night with Pat Riley on the bench?

    Think Wade, Q, & Wright would be on Ustream partied out at 4-5am in the morning the night before the team has a game at 3PM on Sunday afternoon?

    Much less what goes on on the court, there is no authority on this basketball team and that is evident.

    Erik Spoelstra is just "one of the guys"
     
  21. Section126

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    The point remains.

    The CORRECT strategy was used.

    Your strategy is to foul a 81.5% FT shooter DOWN 1 with 20 seconds or so to go....

    That is flat out ridiculous.

    You think that Spoelstra is sitting there with his NBA 2k9 and his controller making decisions.

    These situations are gamed throughout the off-season and at the moment it is discussed with the same Assistants that won a NBA championship with Pat Riley. Those assistants were all on board with the decision.

    then..after the game, Spo has a conversation with Pat Riley himself about the game.

    Pat Riley HAS NEVER intentionally fouled a 80+ FT shooter down 1 with a Stop to get. EVER. You knwo how I know that? because Pat Riley isn't stupid.

    You can foul SHAQ...you can foul Dwight Howard...but neither of those guys was bringing the ball up the court.

    For that strategy to be a good one...you have to apply it regardless of the guy handlign the ball.

    So think about how ridiculous your strategy is if it where against Boston (Ray Allen) or Toronto (Calderon).

    this is elementary stuff.

    and there is no misconception about the Wade/Spo relationship. Wade HIRED Spo. and Only Wade can FIRE Spo.
     
  22. Alex44

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    Sorry Section but you foul there. 28 seconds is more than 24, but it still doesn't guarantee you get the ball back, then once you don't get the ball back what do you do? Foul.

    I'd rather be down 3 WITH the ball than down 1 without it in that scenario.
     
  23. Section126

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    You would rather be down 3 with the ball than be down 1 with the ball.


    HUH?
     
  24. Jaydog57

    Jaydog57 Canes/Fins/Magic fan

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    Hoping for a good game tonight Heat fans. You guys always play us really well.
     
  25. UCFinfan86

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    Going to the game tonite, sucks that Dwade is doubtful. Oh well it'll b cool to see Beas as the #1 option
     
  26. Silverphin

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    He said without.
     
  27. Section126

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    He couldn't.

    he can't make his own reality. It is either OR.
     
  28. Section126

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    You guys should *** rape us. We play really well for two or three game stretches and then we forget how to play basketball. you are getting us at one of those times.
     
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    Well DWade has past 4 missed games, but he did tell the Herald's B Jackson that Beasley has to play stronger if he wants foul calls...
     
  30. Section126

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    I agree.

    beasley keep complaining while he keeps jacking up jumpers.

    What a coincidence that when he attacks , he looks like a superstar in the making. When he jacks up shots..he looks like an albatross.


    Anyway...Jesus H. Wade has told Spoelstra that he wants to play tonight in that public execution in Orlando.

    To be honest...I expect us to play really well tonight.

    We always follow horrible performances with a good effort,
     
  31. FinSane

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    Wade is indeed playing and with a vengeance.
     
  32. High Definition

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    Don't even waste your time.
     
  33. High Definition

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    Why does Michael Beasley back down when Dwyane Wade is in the game... he just completely stops attacking... I hate it. Don't go at Charles Barkley about not being a "Jermaine Jackson" if you're going to be just that once "Michael Jackson" returns. Come on, Beasley.
     
  34. Jaydog57

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    Tough game guys. I'm glad we won, but I hate having to get it done against the Heat. If anything happens to the Magic, I always pull for you guys. I hope Wade get's back to full strength soon, he's one of my favorite players. Peace. :smile:
     
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    Get the **** outta here with that ****.

    I was right and you were wrong and you can't admit it.
     
  36. Section126

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    It's Spo's fault.
     
  37. Section126

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    For the last time.

    this is BASIC basketball strategy.

    there is 28 seconds left. you are down 1. Your opponent with the ball.

    The guy with the ball was Jonny Flynn who is a 81.5% FT shooter.

    You foul right away, these are the scenarios that happen if you foul right away:

    . 28 seconds left...Flynn makes BOTH, you are down 3 needing a 3 with one possession left. You miss, you lose, if you make a 3 to tie it...Your opponent (Minnesota) has at least 4 seconds to beat you. (you are not going to shoot the 3 at the shot clock buzzer)

    . Flynn makes ONE, you are down 2...same scenario as above...3 gives the lead...no 3 is being taken...going for the 2 to tie..You miss, you lose, if you tie it.....Your opponent (Minnesota) has at least 4 seconds to beat you. (you are not going to shoot the at the shot clock buzzer)

    . Flynn misses BOTH. You are down 1 still with one possession to go ahead with a 2, they still retain one last possession to beat you.

    In the three scenarios...you can only WIN with ONE of them. The one where Flynn (81.5% FT shooter) misses BOTH FT's.

    IF YOU DO NOT FOUL AND PLAY DEFENSE:

    . You get a stop. You get a possession to win it with a 2.

    . They score a 2. You get a possession to tie it with a 3.

    . They hit a 3 (they are not taking a 3), they win.

    So if you look at the all the options...there are two avenues that give you the best chance to WIN.

    . Get a stop.

    . Jonny Flynn missing BOTH FT's.

    Which is more likely?


    The simple fact of the matter is that the way it played out...We got a STOP, we DID NOT get a rebound...we then fouled...they made TWO..and WE STILL had a possession left to tie it with a 3.

    FOULING early ONLY ADDS a POSSESSION to your opponent. YOU NEVER GIVE POSSESSIONS to your opponent when you are tied, down 1, or 2 points with a stop to get.

    THAT is proper Basketball strategy down 1 with 28 seconds left.
     
  38. TiP54

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    first Heat game ever.

    two of the best dueling.
     
  39. High Definition

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    SMD... guess what it means.

    I broke down your post line by line and you responded with nothing. Just garbage as usual. Therefore, I stopped responding. I will never have another basketball debate with you and I'd advise others to do the same. It's pointless. You have to be one of the most ignorant "debaters" I've ever seen in my time on this website and the previous. You talk down to people you disagree with. Some people allow it, ignore it, take the better route, etc. Me? I don't put up with that ****.

    Nonetheless,

    Really hope you get the opportunity to meet Spoelstra and exchange numbers before he's ran out of town. I think he'd enjoy the addition of a dominant type in his life. Hell, it may even make him a better coach.
     
  40. High Definition

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    Didn't read.

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