Do Crowder's words show the Dophins have a problem?

I vote yes.......if I wanted to see a bunch of idiots running their mouths I'd watch pro wrestling.

 

It's bull****.

I see it as a convenient excuse to not be a MAN and TELL Porter the truth.

You think he sucks? tell him he sucks.

not ***** out and "create" an instance to "suspend" him.

 

Just because the report didn't surface in the media doesn't mean that Coach didn't tell porter he sucks. If he's traded or cut that's pretty much the ultimate "you suck", right?

 

Yea, his words and ****ty play show we shouldn't of given him a new contract. Dumb move.

 

I think him being subbed out said more than enough.

And lets not forget that this whole curfew story is just what Porter is saying. We really know very little.

 

He was excellent last season outside of big plays. At his age for the price it's a move you make every year.

 

Is there trouble in paradise?

Just finished reading through this thread and I have to say I wanted to create a very similar thread. Lets all take a step back and not just look at the recent "Porter fiasco" but look at the season as a whole.

I'm not sure of the exact number but we had 5 or so players quit the team during OTA's and training camp. I have been following this team for a very long time and I have never witnessed this many people just quitting. Some may say Sparano runs a tough camp so it should be expected. Let me tell you know one ran tougher camps than Shula or for the most part Jimmy Johnson and I still can't recall that many people just quitting.

Then there is Matt Roth and his "Mysterious" Illness. No one knows (well non of us) what that deal was. At first he was sick then it was a groin injury. All of this kept in "secret" as if it was some part of a James Bond movie. If he was sick or injured report it. Remember the other "rumor" that was floating around at the time? Matt Roth was unhappy with the team and giving up playing time. Well he ended up on the PUP list and was eventually cut. They Cut a player that has a tremendous upside because there was a problem between he and the team.

1. Wake 1 Sack every 24 Snaps
2. Roth 1 sack every 74 Snaps
3. Porter 1 Sack every 84 Snaps
4. Taylor 1 Sack every 103 Snaps

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Roth Sacks per snap wasn't as good as Wakes but it was still better than Taylor or Porters. He also is the best OLB we "had" against the run and he was young. Yet the problems between him and the coach were so severe the coach felt it was best to cut him.

I hate to even bring up Eric Green. He was and still is a worthless POS but still in the light of this new situation I find it hard to just ignore his parting comments. I don't remember his exact comments nor do I feel like looking them up. The point is it's odd for a player to take parting shots at a team. Not that it doesn't happen but its just not the norm.

Now we have the Porter situation. A lot of people want(ed) him gone. I'm still not sure exactly where I stand on this myself. There are things I love about the guy and some things I really can't stand. But that's not the issue here. It's not whether or not we like him or want him back I feel we need to be a bit more objective here and keep our focus on the team. There is an old saying "there are three sides to every story, "Yours", "Mine" and "The Truth".

Right now the only people speaking are Porter and Crowder. All that Sparano has said is it was a team decision. Which basically is like saying "we're not telling neener neener neener". So the only part of the story we have been able to hear are Porters and Crowders. We as fans may or may not want to believe a word Porter is saying because right now he is viewed as "the bad guy". But let me assure you there is some relevance of truth to it. There simply always is. How much of it is truth? I doubt we will ever know for sure.

The fact that a Player in good standing such as Crowder would go out of his way to defend Porter has to tell you something. What it tells me is simple. Porter whether you like it or not is viewed as a team leader. Remember it was his peer's that voted him in. It also tell's me that the situation was so miss handled (like the Roth situation) that Crowder felt the need to go out on a limb and voice his displeasure.

I also know that if there is one person willing to stand up and voice his displeasure that there are most certainty more players that are upset but keeping their opinions to themselves.

It's difficult enough to just rebuild a team. It's next to impossible to do it if the players are losing (lost) respect for their coaches.

 

honestly, is anyone surprised crowder stuck up for porter??? It seems like the only area where the regime has 'lost' the team is on defense. Even so, those players were players that were not even originally brought in by this regime so im really not concerned.

 

You may all think I'm crazy here, but I think Crowder should be worried about his contract. I'm not advocating that he dump him, but his play is certainly no where near what he's making. Wait, maybe I am advocating he get cut ! And this is an uncapped year so dumping him only costs the signing bonus and last years' salary. I know that they can't dump everyone but there are some guys on this roster that may be a little antsy about the up coming year. Guys like Porter, Wilson, Carey, Crowder, Bell, Smiley, etc. All starters that have big contracts that really haven't played up to their contract status. JMHO, but it's not out of the realm of possibility to see a few of these guys on the outside looking in...

 

If you listen to the interview, it sounds more to me like he was being diplomatic. He's in the locker room with Porter so he has to be very careful what he says face to face...in the public's eye. He can't be too hard on his teammates or he'll have problems when they start back up. He probably wants to be 'impartial' in his role as interviewer, but he really can't do that either... I just don't think we really heard his 'true' feelings about the situation. Sitting face to face with Porter, knowing that he has to live up to a "you watch my back, I'll watch yours" rule in the locker room, it doesn't surprise me that he backed JP somewhat. Also, he didn't bad-mouth Sparano or the Fins, he simply backed Porter more so than management....

 

I appreciate your opinion bro but the tittle of the thread "Do Crowder's words show the Dophins have a problem?" asks the question do we have a problem with the team. Not so much who we think we should get rid of or not get rid off. Or at least that's how I read it.

 

That's exactly how I interpreted it as well. My point is that even just getting himself involved in this is risky on his part and one he didn't have to take. Remember whay happend with Jay Feely for speaking out to the media?

 

I would just like to point out that i have heard crowder say that he felt disrespected by our regimes contract offer last season...

Iam not sure whos right in this situation, but I will trust the code thats being implemented on this team, and the people who are instilling it...

from 1 and 15, the rebuilding project is long, these two players were on that team, so imo, from the depths for which you came from, either keep your mouth shut, respect the code, or go somewhere else..

Porter played plenty of snaps last year.

I would cut crowder not because of his mouth, but because of his game....

 

So you are going to cut a large part of our team, not to mention many of them that are starters and replace them with......? Makes absolutely no sense.

 

That's what I took from the interview as well. I think Crowder was trying to be supportive of his friend. But I also think Crowder wants to be a Dolphin. He said as much right after signing a new contract. He took a little less to stay. And he stated he wanted to play for Sparano.
In addition I would have to say that it should be obvious that Sparano wasn't happy with the way things went this past year with the defense as evidenced by our new DC. Whether or not the issue with Porter and the issues with our former DC are related is up for debate.

 

Are you going to continue using a defunct marketing gimmick as some kind of code of honor? I hate to break it to you but Parcells' history is that of a backstabbing liar, worse than Saban actually. Just ask Tampa Bay's owner whom Parcells used and abused far worse than Saban did to Wayne. It's a dirty business, the NFL is, where big money and big egos dwell.

 

I kind of think Crowder handled it ok. I don't mind when he talks like this or on his show. He is entertaining.

What I do mind about him, is he talks way to much on the field. Sure talk but make a play then do it...

 

Link, please?

 

Crowder is one of my least favorite Lb's but I must admit they were very much better with him in the game. That said, to be able to cut him, they need to find two better replacements because Akin is even worse. If they do that I'd say cut him, trade him, get rid of him pronto.

This is one reason why I'm on the McClain wagon.

 

With Parcells, it's the same old song, different verse

 

What bothers me about Crowder is a lack of improvement, seriously he is a Vet and has had plenty of playing time and yet, the Crowder of 2009 was the same from 2007.

 

..." With Parcells, you never know.

Even he never knows. ".....

Sorry, but changing your mind doesn't mean someone is a "backstabbing liar"

 

you damn strait I am, because Iam not looking at is as some defunct marketing campaign..I see it as a screening process to determine the right players, who have character and play football {"not a bunch of characters playing football"} I see it as conduct and training philosophy that can unite a strong disciplined bond on a team. A team that was in desperate need of it coming off a 1 and 15 season and in complete chaos within the organization.

If you are privy of some inside info, then do share, if not, and your basing your assumptions of parcells based on heresay and speculation, Then its falling on deaf ears.

Saban used us for his resume, he had no long term intentions for us, and to me, that is the greatest disrespect a coach can have...so comparing what he did to us, against Parcells for choosing our job over others, is "child please" discussion.

The reason I believe it is because, whats not to believe? Its parcells way...which is a way that Iam grateful for..I have my own assumptions of what happened in other places based on his own words, for which I respect tremendously...

 

Saban used us for his resume? He destroyed his reputation in the NFL as he showed he was far more suited to coaching college players. Nick Saban wanted to succeed with the Dolphins, he wasn't being dishonest about that. He just didn't, call him a quitter if you will, but he told Wayne he would honor his contract, and Wayne let him go. He lied to the media, big deal.

I didn't like the Nickator's controlling ways, but Parcells is no different.

The Parcells way? That seems to change every year, every team, every advantage he can exploit for himself, and if you're a fan the team he's on if you're lucky.

Until he leaves...

Again.

 

Hugh Culverhouse and Bill had a verbal contract with a handshake, according to reports that he would coach the Bucs. I'm not interested in reading his mind, his actions show him for what he is. And it's not that unusual in the NFL, he just has a better record with his teams than most.

 

Crowder reflects badly upon himself by running his mouth in support of porter, NOTHING MORE

 

In spite of how binding the term "verbal contract" may sound, it's really nothing but some words. Neither of us knows why Parcells changed his mind, nor should we assume that his reasons weren't legitimate.
Do you think that handshake was enough for Culverhouse to give Parcells his first paycheck? Or do you think he was waiting for Parcells to sign on the dotted line?
Again it's my opinion that backing away from a verbal agreement is not enough to call someone a liar and backstabber.

 

His numbers are barely better than Ayodele's, how was he excellent?

 

Crowder knows he plays sub par football himself the last thing he should do is mouth off.

 

Porter is an inherited player.Parcells and company would probably not have signed him if given a choice .

They dont like mouthy types especially those who dont perform up to their level of mouthiness or are undisciplined.

Crowder is also an inherited player but his mouthiness is usually good natured ,team oriented and he provides some comic relief to the team.

Its time to let Porter go IMO.We can do better.

 

Here is the thing. Parcells verbally agreed to go to Tampa. Satan was SIGNED and he was never going to honor his contract after he found out Alabama wanted him. Sorry!

You can say Parcells is whatever you like. I won't argue that. I will, however, point out that your dead wrong about Satan.

 

Yep! He is what he is and that's average..

 

Yes, that problem is Joey Porter and Channing Crowder.

 

You need this guy.

 

Thats because he's lazy and does not work hard on physical improvement in the offseason..

 

Naw its because his knee is thrashed,one of the reasons I didnt want us drafting him in the first place

 

The bigger problem for the Dolphins is their lack of interest in improving their ILBs the past two seasons, yet somehow expecting Akin Ayodele and Channing Crowder to cover, stop the run, blitz, and stack-and-shed regularly. How many LBs can do that yet we've spent so little on ILB because of Parcell's antiquated notion of that ILB position. The man can't keep putting former DEs and low intelligence OLBs there and expect production.