In my view, Joey Porter has a decent trade value, he did have 9 sacks and played most of the year on a bad hamstring, his contract is relatively cheap now that his 25 million dollar signing bonus has already been paid. He would earn 5 million this season, but a guy like Julius Pepper's made 16 million in 09 and their sack production was about equal so there would be a market for Peezy this offseason. http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/
Peppers plays everything the run the pass, can act as DE in 4-3, can stand up as an OLB in a 3-4.....he is 3 years younger.....Porter really just rushes the passer, and even that is declining...there really is no comparison between the 2...
If he has any trade value, it's only because of the uncapped year. We may have lucked out on that front.
JP is worth at least a #4 pick, the RFA OLB's who can passrush will rate a #1-#3 tender offer, JP to meet the market would come in at #4 pick just outside of the top RFA's available but having a cheaper salary and no huge signing bonus. Trade for JP and save 12 million bucks or more, if a cat like Dumervil moves he would land a 20 million dollar signing bonus imho that alone makes JP attractive to trade for..
I'm sorry but I still cannot forget the play on 4th down against the Jets. If you guys remember, they did a fake punt and Porter had the KICKER wrapped up and couldn't bring him down. So please don't mention Porter and Peppers in the same sentence.
Declining play and injury concerns, combined with what is essentially him demanding to be traded is going to all but eliminate any trade value, IMHO. The Dolphins would be lucky to get a 5th or 6th rounder for him. But you know what...I'd take whatever I could get and deal him to the first serious suitor.
If we could just get back a 5th round pick (which we currently lack) for Porter I'd chalk that up as a win for our FO
You know, Julius Peppers is more hype than anything. He can play, don't get me wrong. But he doesn't show up...ever. At least Porter wants to start and play more and prove what he can do. Peppers just wants to get paid and then disappear for 16 games.
So you want to justify Porter's value because Pepper's sack production was almost equal to Porter's...Sorry but what you have are two over priced veterens. Good luck finding a trading partner for Porter when teams are going to be purging there salaries
to all those who were wrong when they posted in the rome interview thread that porter wasn't asking for a trade. It wasn't hard to see i still think no one will bite and we end up releasing him
huh?? how do u get that.....he as a lineman, had 11 sacks, forced 5 fumbles, recovered 1, and a pick 6!!!!!!! and that was by all accounts considered a bad year for him....
Well, I've watched Jpep for years (NC is my home team) and he does disappear for games at a time, as for his numbers v JP 10/10/33/23 10 sacks, 10 hits 33 pressures 23 tackles Joey Porter's 9/5/11/26 9 sacks, 5 pressures (which imho is far to low)/11 hits 26 tackles J Pepe was paid over 1 million per game, JP about 300k per game 22 more pressures over 16 games is slightly more than 1 per game more than Joey Porter for 700k in additional salary. Based on that Porter does have some value don't you think?
But that's the thing man. Joey never asked for a trade. And Armando wont back off the story because he want to say he was the first to report it when it happens. Yes, Porter is most likely going to be traded. No, he didn't ask for a trade. And no, Armando has no journalistic integrity. He's the kind of guy who would rather report it first and hope it's right than do his research. He's using the same source material for this article that everyone else saw on Rome yesterday and it's very clear that Joey never asked for a trade. There's a difference between stating your unhappiness at the way you were utilized in a defense that didn't help any one on our team to progress, and flat out stating I want out of Miami.
No I really don't Pads IMO, and I value yours with mucho respect. I could care less about hurries/pressures, that just means your too slow to actually sack the QB.... He should be paid more, his much better, we will agree that both JP and Pep are both play-making defensive players...what I mean by that is, stuff other than tackles.....so putting tackles aside.... Porter in 11 years has had 10+ sacks in just 3 of those years...... Pep in 8 years, has had 10+ sacks in 6 of them..... Porter has more Int's but he drops back in coverage too more than Pep, even with that he (Pep) has 2 pick 6's, including one this year, whereas Porter hasn't had a pick in 2 years... Porter in the past 4 years has forced 6 fumbles recovering 1.... Pep in the past 4 years has forced 16 fumbles recovering 5.... Porter in the past 4 years has had (while dropping into coverage ALOT more than Pep) defended 12 passes... Pep in the past 4 years has defended 20...... If Pep took some games off, with the above numbers? What do u consider JP doing.....?? I'm not advocating getting Pep, but there really is no comparison between the 2, he should have gotten more because he was alot better than Porter, and kept his mouth shut too as well, before this year, when he piped up a little about his contract situation...bottom line, I saw a JP this year who just looked inferior, and couldn't be counted on when it mattered most....the Pats Vollmer, a rookie LT filling in for Light, is a good place to start...go watch that tape, it is an embarrassment....
Cut...if he is traded...I'll start myself the finyank13 eats rotten poo thread.....hahahahah...listen I'd love a 6-7th for him, but I just don't see it...
The report is that Porter asked the Dolphins brass for a trade, not that he told Jim Rome he wanted to be traded, even though Salguero did report that too. That's Omar Kelly and Mike "Web Weekend" Beradino. Salguero is a step up, but that's sort of like saying you're halfway out of the sewer.
You are missing the point Bro, I'm not suggesting JP is better than Pepe, I am saying that they do compare to each other, JP is somehow painted as some sort of washed up player and that is just not the case...at alll. if one recalls, JP played 4 or 5 games with messed up hammy and knee, he still produced, never took himself out of games and was last seen falling on a forced fumble in the Steelers game that could have put us into the lead. Put it this way, your a GM would you pay 3x more for a player whose production is 10% better?
Find a UFA who has JP's numbers who will work for 4.85 million bucks on a one year deal...they don't exist. I like Ireland, last yr snatching a #6 from KC for Ndukwe and Alleman was a coup, he should get a #4 pick at least for Porter.
I wouldnt pay the price tag now that Pep wants, but for the last 4 years I would have paid the difference, Pep has remained largely consistent where Porter w/ the exception of 2008 has not...I'll take the consistent player over the hit or miss all day....Pep has dealt with just as many injuries as well...
*points to the 2007 season where Peppers completely dogged it all year long* 2.5 sacks in 14 games while blatantly not trying and giving up on his teammates is staying consistent?
That is the "Was" bro, Pepe made 16 million + in 09, do you think he will take a paycut? JP will make 25% of what Pepe did for 80% of the production and both cats were nicked up this year, JP's hammy and knee were jacked up, Pepe broke his hand. JP averages 9.2 sacks per season, his year last year was not as terrible as some would make it out to be, and he works cheaply, that is why he does have trade value and will be traded imho. Tell ya what compare JP's 9/5/33 to JT's numbers in 07 and they had similar years, JT of course caused more fumbles but that is his particular talent. JT (2007) 11 sacks/41 tackles/3 FF JP (2009) 9 sacks/33 tackles/1 FF And JP has no trade value? The way I see it, a win now owner will offer a #4 pick, play JP in 2010, then cut him before the strike in 2011 as he would be 35 after the strike, rent him for a season like Charles Haley and C Doleman were rented in SF for a year.
why don't you just look at his career numbers as a whole, and especially w/in the past four years, he did have a horrible year no doubt....however just look that 3 sack year it is sandwiched between a 13 sack year previous to that, and an 15 sack year after that.....the guy in 8 years has had 10+ sacks a year in 6 of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes that is consistency....not sure what you don't get about that....
And I don't get what you don't understand about the fact that Peppers dogs it, gives up on his teammates, and doesn't play with passion. I live in NFC South territory. I have friends who are Panthers fans. They'll be the first to tell you that Peppers is hype. Peppers could be the best player in the league on the DLine if he actually gave a **** and tried. But he doesn't. And you can tell in his play. He had a good year last year cause he was trying to get that money. He had a good year this year cause he was trying to get that money again. I guarantee you that whoever gives him a big contract next year is not going to get the same production out of him, because that's the kind of player he is.
I see your numbers Padre, I get what your saying, I'm looking at the last four years the most recent data not when he was in year 2 at Pitt...JP is clearly falling off....in his numbers, in his play from watching him, everything is declining, and quite honestly it should be, he is 33 in March....Pep is 30...3 years in that position makes a difference...the money in football isn't the same last year as it was 4 years ago... Does he have any trade value, you say yes bro, I say yes too, not much like a 6th if your lucky, but he wont be traded, so basically I'm saying no ha! We'll see, like I said I'd love Miami to pull a Seymour and get some burnout give us what we want...I just don't see it....it will be interesting though cuz its coming up soon u know??
How can you dog it in the NFL and put up numbers like that?? In that position in the trenches, I doubt it....if he was good because he wanted that money bro, guess what he wasn't dogging it....When he gets his contract it will be up to the coaching staff to rectify his dogging. If he doesn't rectify his dogging, he will be benched.... It was the same with Randy Moss, he was dogging it right, took plays off...all that guy does is put up numbers every year, numbers numbers number....then he got blanketed in the payoffs this year, must have dogged it right?? Now it comes out today he had a 3rd degree separated shoulder, you ever have a separated shoulder?? Wait I can't believe I just stuck up for a Pats player (no worries just gave myself 20 lashes).....Seriously though u dog it in this sport you will get hurt, especially playing D-Line...
Jp finished the season with 1 sack in each of the last 7 games, his trend line was upwards until the end of the season.
What season are you talking about because if it was last season your a bit off ...3 of the last 7 games he had 0 sacks. The little bit of production we did receive from Porter came after he was benched Porter had a terrible season getting 12 tackles in the first 8 games/half a season and 2.5 sacks Porter had 11 QB pressures all season Wake had 9 in one game Enough of Porter ...he want's to leave...BYE...BYE
