The Official Miami Heat 09/10 Countdown to Contention Thread.

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  1. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    I think after this happened... that players are going to sign on the dotted line at the same time from now on...
     
  2. High Definition

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    If I was a betting man and I was forced into betting something pricey on LeBron's future destination, I'd stick with Cleveland.

    Personally, I don't even view New York or New Jersey (err, Brooklyn) as realistic options. Neither option should even be considered a lateral movement. It's Cleveland or Miami, IMO.
     
  3. padre31

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    It's true though, Wade's issue imvho is he is being taken for granted in Miami right now, so if "next" year is the year, why bust you butt this year?

    And in the longer term, how many of these preplanned "wait till next year" seasons will there be in Miami?
     
  4. PhiNomina

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    The Knicks no way. For as bad of a coach as he is, Mike Brown has at least taught Lebron the value of defense - and Bron has taken it to heart. No way he goes to NY with D'Antoni.

    New Jersey has a lot of young role players that would look a lot better playing around Lebron - not to mention the Jay-Z connection.

    Miami with Wade and Bron would be enticing. From what I have read / seen of him around here I can't see him sharing the spotlight that much. When he plays the Kobes and Wades of the league he feels the need to answer every shot - I think even as teammates he would constantly try to one-up another star.

    But after reading this thread Miami is a much more legitimate option than I have really thought before. Definitely one that is overlooked in the constant NEW YORK! NEW YORK! spin of the media.
     
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  5. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    You couldn't be more wrong.

    he has been handed a NBA franchise and he didn't pay 400 million for it. How the **** is he "being taken for granted"?

    Every single move is conducted with his consent and he is consulted for even the most minor move.

    How many of these "wait till next year" seasons?

    there has only been ONE. Since Shaq left this team the plan was as obvious as can be. The summer of 2010 is our cap space year.
     
  6. Section126

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  7. padre31

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    Hmm...the same DWade who wanted players acquired this past offseason?
     
  8. Section126

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    Not when you weigh the situations.

    They are vastly different.

    Miami this offseason will be a jewel of a destination. Pat Riley deserves the credit for what he has built for the 2010 offseason.

    it is not every day that a team sets themselves up for a very loooooooooooooooooooong time in ONE offseason.
     
  9. Section126

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    Everybody he wanted was pursued. he even went on the recruting trip remember?
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    Dwyane Wade was the GM last offseason.
     
  10. FinNasty

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    So Section, do you not believe there is an offense that exists that can fit both of these players?


    From the sound of it, it sounds like becoming a P&R player shouldnt be too hard for him. Just has to learn how to set better screens? You make that sound like its impossible? How hard could it be to improve that? I'd think improving his defense would be a MUCH harder task, and hes made huge strides in that area. How hard could it be to get him to improve on that?
     
  11. padre31

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    Funny, the Lakers don't seem to have those sorts of seasons, and their key guys are ones they acquired via trades.
     
  12. Section126

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    An offense? yeah, a wide open motion offense with a great point guard.

    You can't teach it. It either comes or not.

    There have been plenty of GREAt PF's that are horrible P&R players....Kevin Garnett, Elton Brand, David West.

    Then you have GREAT P&R PF's in Amare Stoudmire, Chris Bosh, Lamar Odom, Tim Duncan, Dirk, etc...
     
  13. padre31

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    And who did they sign?

    The two would seem to at odds Sect, Wade wanted different players, if he were the de facto GM, why were there no new players?

    Outside of the Alston signing, which I thought was smart, Miami kept a pat hand.
     
  14. Section126

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    They were the ones that dumped SHAQ's contract gained Odom...heat won a championship...so who won that trade?

    and last I checked, Kobe Bryant was the one that was one and done for 4 seasons and threatened to leave to the Clippers till the Memphis Grizzlies gave them Pau Gasol.

    Tell you what..when we have a team give us a 20 and 10 PF for nothing...we can do what the Lakers did and contend overnight.

    For the rest of the NBA, you need to wait for your cap year.
     
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  15. Section126

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    All they had was the Mid Level Exemption. They offered it to Artest and Odom.

    They both said NO. they both took the same amount of money from the Lakers. (Technically took less money from the Lakers (State Taxes)

    Wade recruited hard...what do you want him to do? Pull a gun on Odom and say "Either your brains or your signature are going on this contract Lamar"!
     
  16. PhiNomina

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    Cleveland isn't exactly the Nets right now, if you haven't noticed. We have a good core group of guys and Danny Ferry has shown a great ability to find players while maintaining cap flexibility.

    I think people put a little too much emphasis on getting two superstars. Having two max-contract guys means the rest of your roster is going to be fairly pathetic. Sure the two superstars may be enough to pull you through but I wouldn't count on it. It took Kobe getting a lot of help and the Celtics got one with THREE stars and have been only above average since. The Magic have two stars right now and aren't exactly lighting the league on fire.
     
  17. Section126

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    Cleveland has a pretty bad cap situation for next season compared to Miami.

    Miami has much more attractive roster and situation for a MAX Free Agent, if that FA is Lebron James. The heat has cultivated this situation masterfully, while the Cavs keep adding dead weight to their cap.
     
  18. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Again only MIAMI will have the space to sign Wade and another star to Max deals. If King James goes to NY then it will be the status quo for him, he will be the only guy there, and he'd be on a rebuilding team.



    Reminds me of Dan Henning "Hey Chad Henne just completed 6 passes in a row! Time to use the Wildcat!"
     
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  19. padre31

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    I suspect we will see some trades, especially for Bosch and maybe for Amare S, they were shopping him around last season.

    And the same situation exists for Lebron James as for Wade, more money in Cleveland, though I suspect, he will move, but if anywhere to NY were he can be "the man" in the largest spotlight.

    As for the Heat, as I've discussed with Sect, the "wait till next yr" theory often goes off the rails.
     
  20. padre31

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    I'd say it is even, maybe advantage Lakers, they've won a title with Odom and he is still on the team.

    Kobe also never tested the FA market, he typically signs quietly in the offseason.

    D Wade will hit the FA market, if one recalls Riley was trying to sign him to an extension this offseason and Wade would have none of it.


    Who knows, the Heat never made a run at Gasol.

    Or make smarter trades, the Lakers do so consistently.

    Is anyone they drafted or signed as a FA even a starter for LA?
     
  21. Section126

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  22. FinNasty

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    OK, so dont run a pick and roll type offense. You're saying the only way to make Beasley and Wade work is to have a great PG? What if you moved Wade to PG for the 2nd half of the season? I mean, get creative, do something!

    IMO, Wade is talented enough to play in any offense and be extremely productive. So, lets get an offense installed that maximizes Beasley's talents more, and fits him better. Wade can do whatever we need him to.
     
  23. Section126

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    Wade doesn;t want to play PG.

    we need his scoring.
     
  24. FinNasty

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    We need Beasley's scoring too! We need both!

    So, this team should just sit on its thumb... waste away Beasley... and then trade him for garbage b/c we didnt build up any value for him at the end of the season?

    I'm sorry, that is unacceptable. If Wade wants to win games instead of losing them... then he can play PG for half a freaking season. Wade can still score from the point, but not as much. But the increase in points we would have from Beasley would offset it, or more likely increase it.

    If there truly is no way to get Wade and Beas to play together b/c of their styles... then **** Riley for spending the #2 overall pick on a player we cant use. What the hell was the point of drafting him then?

    Are you saying we drafted the equivalent of a Tampa2 WOLB to play 3-4 SOLB?

    Thats a good GM?!? Wasting the #2 pick in the draft on a player we cant freaking use? ****ing brilliant...
     
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    Not if he turns him into a star PG (trade)...or if beasley develops as the third banana next year.

    Patience is needed. he is young.

    Anyway...if you haven't noticed..Beasley is having a pretty good year.
     
  26. FinNasty

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    Oh, I have noticed. I saw again last night in the 19 minutes he got at PF... that he had good game... and is having a good year. Hes much improved.

    But, we need more, b/c we arent a great team. Our 2nd best player apparently cant even get on the floor with Wade.

    I've been patient. I went through a season when we were the worst in the league to get Beasley. I went through last year being terrible. And this year is more of the same. We went through all that BS, being the worst in the league... to add a fantastic talent that we cant even use according to you.

    I dont want a contender this year. I understand we have to wait for that. But this team better be doing EVERYTHING in its power to be as good as it can with the talent it has. And we are not even close to maximizing the talent on our roster... not when Beasley only gets 19 minutes at PF...
     
  27. FinNasty

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    And how would Beasley be able to be a 3rd banana next year? You've already said he cant be in the same offense as Wade?
     
  28. padre31

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    Riley=Genius.

    Not really, point being is the "Wait till next year" stuff is bogus.

    The Heat have hung around .500, they still could go on a run, but DWade has to be DWade and I have to wonder if he will be this season.

    You just can't tell a player like Wade that you are not going to compete this season, that's crazy to do so.
     
  29. FinNasty

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    I thought he was. But if what Section is saying is true... then Riley is a ****ing moron...
     
  30. Section126

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    But Kobe Bryant can be told that he can;t compete for damn near 5 years and that is okay...right?

    How is it bogus when this offseason is when we have cap space?

    You know...the bill came for that championship and we finish paying for it this season.

    Want to give the ring back?
     
  31. Section126

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    This is like the kids in the back seat saying:

    "Are we there yet?"


    July is almost here. then you can all go back to your regularly scheduled "Riley is a genius" thinking.
     
  32. FinNasty

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    No. I wont. Not if we have to trade Beasley b/c he didnt fit. That would be a MAJOR black mark on his resume. Swinging and missing on the #2 overall pick in the draft...

    I thought he hit that ball out of the park on Beasley. But if what you are saying is true... he struck out big time.
     
  33. padre31

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    Well, maybe, like I said they've hung around at .500 this season, they aren't elite, but they haven't just slid backwards, and imho with Alston and Wade they have two players who can get things done in the playoffs.

    As for "Real Cool Beasely"..well he is what he is, to me he is immature and frankly not trusted enough to really make an impact.
     
  34. Section126

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    How is he a moron?

    It isn't his fault that Wade's game is clashing with Beasley's. How was he supposed to know this?

    BTW..that is My Opinion anyway that their games are not compatible.
     
  35. FinNasty

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    Bull****. I dont know what the kid has to do to "earn trust". Hes hustling on defense. Hes being aggressive on the boards. What does he have to do to earn trust?
     
  36. padre31

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    They've been to the finals 3 of the last 6 yrs.

    And don't forget, they traded for Kobe Bryant.
     
  37. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    HUH?!?!?!?

    How is he supposed to know this??? That his JOB. To scout a player, and figure out what his strengths and weaknesses are and how he would fit into your offense. Just like in football, a scout evaluates a LB, and determines which hes a better fit for... Tampa2, 3-4, etc...

    How did he not know what type of offense is needed to be run b/c of Wade? And how did he not know that he wouldnt fit into that type of offense? Thats his job...



    And, for the record, I think your opinion is wrong. But if its right... I'm a LOT more concerned than just having an idiot coach...
     
  38. padre31

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    Honestly, he has to make shots on nights Wade isn't, in some ways he has to play as well as DWade in fewer opportunities.

    Keep in mind DWade made his bones taking Haslem and Kareem Butler on a playoff run backwhen.
     
  39. FinNasty

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    The Lakers are one of the best and most storied franchises in the sport. Whats your point?
     
  40. FinNasty

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    You mean, like in the 3rd quarter last night when Wade wasnt doing anything, and Beasley exploded? Like that?


    And he has to play as well as a future HoFer? Really? THATS the standard we are holding him to? What about Haslem? Haslem doesnt play anywhere CLOSE to as well as DWade. So how does he get minutes?
     
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