Tua...''He's the greatest prospect ever''

This is way better than your usual arguments. Good job. Not being sarcastic. This is discussion we can have. Calling Tua a one read QB is not this.

I don't think you realize just how fast Tua is going through progressions. Also, in a progression, if the first read is open, you take it. There is a reason why it is first. An offense also adjusts routes and reads according to pre snap looks. I think you get that. But, Tua's first read is always going to be the best read with two huge caveats. He needs to do his pre-snap stuff correctly and have the right play called. Then there are the RPO's the O-line is getting upfield on these plays and the ball has to be out or it's a penalty. Tua can no look throws when doing this. That is crazy hard.

Tua described the process of how he manipulates a D with his eyes. All good QBs do this. All of them. It doesn't mean that they aren't going through progressions at the same time.

I think Tua is really aggressive. If he thinks he can fit the ball in that first read he is going to try. This means he takes way harder throws than he needs to at times. It also means the ball is out of his hands quicker and deeper than it would be otherwise.

All of this contributes to how fast Tua gets the ball out. I think he is a bit of a rhythm passer though. His strong suites lead to him being the best quick ball QB in the NFL. It's not really debatable. Which in turn leads to that being what is primarily called in games. When a D can get McDaniel off his game, and is able to take the quick ball away, that's when Tua struggles. His timing isn't where it should be. It seems like his internal clock can get off and everything suffers. Decision making, throwing, footwork, everything is just a little off from when he is in rhythm. This seems fixable, if a longer play is a deep shot he usually hits it, as it's usually the first read and he doesn't need to have the timing to come off of it correctly. It's when he isn't going through all his reads in 1 second and has to operate at a deferent pace than he has for the rest of the game that he becomes an average QB. I think this is an experience will fix thing. Last year was the first time that Tua had the same O 2 years in a row since high school. He needs more time working at different paces. If it's not fixed by experience, then Mike needs to pound the running game until he figures out how to make the quick passing game work. With Tua, Hill, Waddle, and Achane there should always be a way to make it work.

 

Wow...so much context, reasonableness, and objectivity.

 

She makes a lot of reasonable points!

 

I doubt it would really matter. Lawrence's deal could only upset things if the Jags go crazy and reset the market, which I don't expect them to do. QB contracts are all about the language, not the money that's on the pages. Folks have been explaining why Joe Burrows' $52 million average will never account for that much of the Bengals cap and how Mahomes' 10 year deal really is nothing of the sort. I'll bet Tua's total money is already decided between both his agent and the team but they're trying to figure out how much is set for bonus money and when the outs will be set (and who can exercise them).

 

She should have suggested (or at least acknowledged) that the Dolphins can play him on the 5th year option of his rookie contract.

 

She could have, but she’s smart.

 

I couldn’t agree more. He gets too aggressive at times. He needs to rely on his other players not named Tyreek and Waddle and take more underneath stuff. A 50 yard TD is fantastic, but a 5 yard gain is better than an incompletion or INT.

 

"Game manager" is not the right term.

It's obvious though that he, and McDaniel, need to tidy up their situational awareness.

 

I think “game manager” gets a bad rap. Brady and Manning were game managers. Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers were also.
People tend to use the phrase in a way that it means the QB is doing just enough to not hinder the team’s chances to win. When it’s used that way, I agree.

The QB should be the manager of the team. He should make sure people are doing the right things, lining up properly, running the correct routes, blocking the right people. The QB should know where all of the WR’s and RB’s are at all times and know when to take a shot or when to be conservative. Deej’s (and mine) point was Tua needs to do better at those things. I think he’s pretty good at understanding the offense and knows where his players should be, but he needs to do better, and he needs to do a lot better when it comes to being conservative.

 

No way! What she should have suggested is that we sign Trevor Siemian to a short term deal. I mean only long enough that he wins us a Super Bowl and by then PJ Walker would be a free agent. Rinse, wash, repeat! I mean it's so easy!

 

Seeing that green dot at the bottom of this graph makes me excited about this upcoming season:

 

The content of your post is appropriate for 2 or 3 years ago.

 

This is basic stuff he should have learned during high school play, at Alabama, or certainly within his first two seasons as a Dolphin.

 

He led the league in passer rating in 2022, and passing yards in 2023. Pretty scary to think what he can do if he just did the "basic stuff", like you say.

/s

 

Too bad he was being sabotaged by his HC. You really know very little about anything Dolphins related.

 

Looks like Tua is pretty good at throwing it deep.

 

I mean, not sure who is arguing that he isn't "good" at it. People argue that it takes different factors for him to be good at than it does a QB with higher arm strength. People also argue that connecting on "deep balls" is not a good measure of arm strength.

I mean, just to compare, Tua is way better at the deep ball than Tannehill, yet his arm strength is not that of Tannehill.

 

**Trigger Warning**

 

He's got a signed Patrick Mahomes jersey and gets to play golf everyday; so for Tua life is good.

 

https://amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/omar-kelly/article288415627.html

 

66 examples of NFL players asking for signed jerseys from opposing teams players after games. It’s pretty normal. And yet you're a Dolphin fan acting like Tua asking a future HoF QB, arguably the best QB to ever play, for a jersey makes Tua a lesser QB. You trolls never cease to amaze me with what you criticize people for.

https://www.nfl.com/photos/nfl-jersey-swap-0ap3000000447712#34d20b83-82e2-4b5d-bf70-36ed37591d44


As for the golfing… lmao… 99% of NFL QB’s can be found on the golf course nearly every day in the off season. Cry harder…

 

Quarterbacks have played golf more or less since the invention of quarterbacks. John Brodie, the 1970 NFL MVP, had a second career on golf’s senior tour, where he won an event and racked up $735,000 in prize money. Tony Romo has played Tour events and attempted Q-School. Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have spent significant chunks of the off-season on the course, fine-tuning their games and feeding their competitive appetites. But it would be tough for any of the above to match Mahomes for sheer enthusiasm.

“Golf has become a huge part of everything,” he says. “When I plan trips, when I set up my off-season, I have to figure out places to play when I’m there. I’ve got this love for golf because I have to get better, and I compete, but it’s also somewhere I can relax and have an awesome time.”

https://golf.com/news/features/patrick-mahomes-golf-masters-chief/


Brady, Rodgers, Romo, Favre, Marino… etc., etc. all must suck at being QB’s because “gOlF”! Lmao

 

The "team friendly deal" is playing on his 5th year option for the 2024 season. For the past 4 seasons of play Tua has received approximately $30 million. For the coming season he is due $27 million. So, regardless of what Jalen Ramsey or some misguided fans or Kay Adams or Tua's family thinks, he has already been paid.

 

Brady, Rodgers, Favre led teams to Super Bowl wins so they earned the right to fool around playing golf. Tua has not yet earned that privilege, and golf course selfie pics are not helping his cause.

 

Brady, Rodgers, and Favre played on complete teams when they won SB’s.
The only people angry about Tua’s selfies probably live in their parent’s basement and have self-esteem and jealousy issues.

 

Or the Dolphins could try a new quarterback.
The theme of the story you linked is that Tua-led Dolphins teams have achieved a winning record. I ask how or why is that supposed to be the benchmark of success and justification for over paying a player? Why should the Dolphins bid against themselves for Tua?
My guess is that two months ago had the Dolphins shopped Tua around the League the best offer they would have received is a 3rd or 4th round draft pick. And a year ago had the Dolphins not exercised the 5th year option of his rookie contract he would now be a free agent and my guess is that a team would be offering him 1-year at $15 million or 2-years at $20 million.

 

Completely delusional and no understanding of how contracts work.

 

Burrow signed his extension on September 9.

Herbert signed his extension July 25.

Josh Allen signed his extension August 6.

 

The audacity some of us display here is off the charts. I'd swear that we have posters here who have balls that are bigger than their brains. It would be a point of pride if they had balls that were bigger than birdshot.

 

SMH

Winning records, playoff appearances… all while being decimated by injuries and being lead by an MVP candidate QB that leads or is close to leading all other QB’s in nearly all passing stats.

Why haven’t the Dolphins won a playoff game yet?


Aquapride: “Tua”


Lmao… Your posts couldn’t be anymore shortsighted and ignorant. There is no rationale or reasoning to be found in your posts. You want to blame one of the best, most productive players on the team for failing in the playoffs. It’s absurd. It’s trolling. Not because you have differing opinions, but because your posts are so outlandish and full on nonsensical BS. You’re akin to the 5 yr old that just puts his fingers in his ears and yells, “na,na,na,na” while closing his eyes so as not to hear or see the truth.


How can one of the top QB’s in the league be fully responsible for their last 2 playoff losses when he wasn’t playing in one game and was playing with FA’s off the couch in the other? If you want to trade Tua you must want to trade everyone else, right?

 

It took Peyton Manning 9 years to win a Super Bowl. It took Elway 14 years. Imagine they just "gave someone else a shot" after 4 years?