Needing to win today but drafted projects

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  1. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    a couple of us on here wanted the Dolphins to draft Gibbs.
     
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  2. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I did, and I was wrong. Achane with the 84th pick over Gibbs with the 12th. High hopes for Wright. It's a position where it's tuff to make it healthy to that second contract, so I expect them to keep using mid round picks, or value FA $ going forward. It's clearly valued that way by the Grier/McDaniel team, and so far that has been proven out.
     
  3. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget, Raheem Mostert and Salvon Ahmed weren't even drafted. In the end analysis, the question that begs asking is how much better the team is after the draft. To be sure, there's a ton of opportunity cost involved in the process and options have to be weighed. On Friday, Grier and McDaniel had to decide whether losing next year's (hopefully late) 3rd round pick was worth getting one of the best RBs in this year's draft. If Wright's value is essentially third round, it was a good move, especially if everybody else on their draft board was evaluated at or below the fourth round.
     
  4. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Those two are examples of value FAs that I mentioned. I am now convinced that no RB is going be worth a 1st or 2nd with how the Dolphins have acquired talent and the results of their process since McDaniel came on board. Unless, they can clone Barry Sanders, keep on keeping on.
     
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  5. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    As are All-Pros. There's too many scenarios involved to rely on all-pro honors to use that as a marker for what makes a good GM. Drew Brees made one 1st team all-pro his entire career. Brady Made only 3. They, and the GM that picked them, must suck because Manning was winning them all. Which means Manning and his GM was the only good player and GM for those years. lmao
     
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  6. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I suppose that all depends on if Achane is able to stay healthy.
     
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  7. Two Tacos

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    RBs get hurt frequently. Gibbs played in 5 more games last season and put up 145 more yards and 2 more TDs. With five more games, only its even more ridiculous than that. Two of the games Achane played in he only got 1 carry because of coming off and getting injured. So, it's really more like SEVEN more games to get 145 more yards and 2 TDS. Whose OL you picking, Detroit or Miami? Achane was absurdly good, absolutely absurdly good. I'll take that going forward, even with the injuries his rookie year.


    The last 2 years of their collegiate careers Achane played in 22 games and Gibbs 24. Achane had 326 carries and Gibbs 294 carries. In their last year of college Achane had 196 carries and Gibbs 151.
     
  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Dude I love Achane.

    Just hoping injuries don't become a thing.
     
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  9. Dorfdad

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    You can laugh but im right. This team isn't primed for a Super Bowl run, hell they gotta win a playoff game first. We are not going from 0 wins to the Super Bowl in one year IMHO.

    You dont want to see it this way and thats fine, but the reality is were 2-3 year out still.
     
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  10. hitman8

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    It's not just about not drafting a ROY, but we never draft anyone who even contends for ROY consideration. Seems all our draft picks are either busts, projects who take 3 or 4 years to develop into decent players, or some players who are good decent starters but not world beaters.

    With the amount of Draft capital we had we should have gotten at least a few superstars by now.

    Only real superstar Grier ever drafted was Howard back in 2016.
     
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  11. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    different offenses. I would not be upset if the Dolphins had Gibbs.
     
  12. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Its just spin to make picks look worse. Miami got two of the better players in the 2021 draft and Mac Jones finished 2nd in the rookie of the year votes that year.
     
  13. Two Tacos

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    Would you have been upset if they used the 12th pick overall to get him, instead of the 84th overall to get Achane? That's the point. Why use high picks on RBs when the talent Miami has acquired with much lower value resources is still so high? Use those higher value resources on less injury prone and harder to fill positions.
     
  14. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    How is speaking facts now considered "spin"?
     
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    If Phillips and Chubb aren’t fit for the start of the season, I’d imagine Chop will be a starter from day 1.

    And with Armstead's well-documented injury history, Paul could see plenty of game time early on, too.
     
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  16. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Cherry picking facts is spin. Not that complicated.
     
  17. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Dude it's not cherry picking. Talking about the performance of picks, given how many we've had, is simply stating a fact. How is it cherry picking to say that we almost never draft a rookie who contends for that? Achane would have.

    You don't have to agree with the poster, or even like what they have to say. Doesn't mean everything they say is a logical fallacy.
     
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  18. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    If memory serves me correctly, Waddle, Achane and Howard were in the discussion for rookie of the year. In fact, Waddle broke the rookie record for receptions.
     
  19. Fireland

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    Performance of the picks in the rookie year but actual not their performance. Whether or not they are in consideration for award. An award Mac Jones almost won.

    Given that you think Miami wasted the Tunsil picks because they ONLY got Waddle, Holland, and Tyreek yeah its not a surprise you would defend this kind of nonsense

    You know this isn't sports talk on ESPN where everything has to be a hot take. Its totally reasonable to say "Grier hasn't done enough job drafting". Admitting he isn't a dumpster fire at drafting doesn't mean you have to award him GM for life.
     
  20. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    It’s so confusing to me. I read all of this moaning and groaning about this year’s draft picks and using past draft picks to amplify the point. It’s just so confusing to me.

    Xavier Howard. Would anyone honestly say he was a bust?
    Christian Wilkins. Would anyone honestly say he was a bust?
    Tua Tagovailoa. Would anyone honestly say he was a bust?
    Jaylen Waddle. Would anyone honestly say he was a bust?
    Devon Achane. Would anyone honestly say he was a bust?

    It’s just so confusing that Grier had one bonafide absolute BUST in Noah Igbinoghene and Grier’s entire draft record is defined by this ONE pick.

    Some of our draft picks have been diamonds in the rough and are starting to develop into the players we had hoped they would be. Although I’m still not sold on Eichenburg, Jackson was a VERY pleasant surprise last season. Can he keep it up? Only time will tell.

    I think everyone needs to take a step back, take a deep breath and put aside personal notions that just because the Dolphins didn’t draft “your player” then this draft is another bust.

    It was well known by all I wanted Jackson Powers Johnson but because we didn’t get that stud IOL that I wanted, does that mean we sucked? Absolutely not.

    Im an analytical football guy for a couple of hours a day and as I sit on my sofa. I’m not a paid analyst who researches players 12 hours a day, 7 days a week and getting a salary for it. And neither is anyone else.

    Everyone take a chill-axative!
     
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  21. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    There’s nothing wrong with evaluating the picks. The problem is using narrow minded and cherry picked things such as ROY. It’s just not a good way of evaluating picks. In order to evaluate a draft pick you’re going to need more than one season, much less their rookie season.
     
  22. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Drafting aside has Grier built a true superbowl contender?The honest answer is no.This team hasn't even won a playoff game with all those picks.
    The sad part is Houston has.
    How many chances does he get?
    Who cares about 3 winning seasons when it amounts to nothing.If u guys are satisfied with that power to you I want to win a superbowl and sure isn't going to happen next year as this team is arguably worse than last year.
    Football 101 is unless u have an elite Qb u win in the trenches!Our trenches are weak and who built the trenches?
     
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  23. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    The answer is always going to be "injuries" when you point this out.
     
  24. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Do you believe they don’t win the AFCE, get a home playoff game, and win at least one playoff game last season if not for injuries?

    Ignoring all context is not a way to make judgements.
     
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  25. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Yep!Excuses excuses excuses!
    How about this.Stop signing injury prone players.
     
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  26. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Facts… right? Weren’t you just whining ab oh t someone disregarding facts?
     
  27. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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  28. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Good teams punch them in the mouth and they have no answer for it.
     
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  29. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    48-20 Oct 1st with healthy team.
    Pretenders against good teams
     
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  30. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    You mean like Joe Burrow?
     
  31. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    That good team lost to the Pats and Jets. Lmao
     
  32. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Who won the division when it counted?
     
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  33. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    And who choked with 3 game lead?
     
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  34. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    When it counted? Lmao…That team was 6-6 at one point. Suffered minimal injuries and beat a decimated Dolphins team for the division. Then they lost in the playoffs to the same team the Dolphins lost to… again, with minimal injuries in Buffalo.
     
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  35. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Dude how can u look in mirror and even argue with me.Its embarrassing.The Dolphins under McDaniel are 1-5 against Bills.
    Allen is a choker in playoffs but how far away are we competing against the elite teams when we can't even beat them?
     
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  36. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    The Dolphins, under McDaniel, are 8-0 against their other division opponents. One of those losses against the Bills was by 3 points in Buffalo, with their 3rd string rookie QB.

    Keep ignoring all context though… it looks really smart.
     
  37. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I do look smart.because I am giving actual facts that u can't deny.And a loss is loss.Do u think the raiders were celebrating when they were close.to beating us last year when Ramsey made that pick to seal the game?A loss is a loss.
    So yes we are 1-5 and nothing u can say will change that And we beat the Jets and Pats but like I said who won the division?It doesn't matter how the Bills got there it's that they won the division and we didn't as usual!
     
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  38. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    The Dolphins plane crashed on the way to the game.
    Bills won though so nothing else matters.
    That’s how you sound.

    The dolphins are one of the most talents teams in the NFL. No one with any objectivity or an ounce of reasonableness would say differently.
     
  39. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    So did they win division last year?A playoff game in last years?
    U act like we are the Chiefs or the Pats with Brady?
    If ur happy with 2nd place and wIth
    Opening round loss I guess ur right.
    I expect more with all that draft capital we had.
    And I'll go out on limb here and say the Jets will win the division and we will finish third and out of playoffs this year.
    I hope I am wrong because I am not an ego driven fan but that is how I see it.
    Last year I bought into the bull**** and thought this team was legit but won't happen again this year.We will start strong like last 2 years and fade in the end but this time fall short of even a wildcard.
     
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  40. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    It just seems you don’t know how to look at all the facts. You call the Bills elite, but they also lost to the Chiefs, who went on to win the SB. You claim the Dolphins never beat elite teams, yet they have over the last two seasons. You seem to just gloss over the fact that the Dolphins literally had players that were on the couch the week before their last few games. You don’t seem to understand the effects losing multiple starters. You also refuse to see the actual talent on the team. You aren’t comprehending the fact that they still won 11 games, the same number as the Bills and one more than the Chiefs, even though they suffered devastating injuries.
     

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