Here’s another thought… Chop Robinson’s statistics are virtually identical to Nick Bosa’s stats coming into the draft. I don’t think anyone would call Bosa a bust.
Whoa, a non WR/DT going? Blasphemy! TBH I'm a little surprised the Eagles didn't go for a center, I wonder if they are moving Landon Dickerson inside, he played C at Bama.
Like I said, I don't know dude...I was just hoping for an O Line pick. You're right, it may happen tonight. Good call on the Jordan pick too. That was Ireland I believe? Who knows? Maybe Robinson is the real deal. He does come from Linebacker U and I am a Penn State fan from a distance. Definitely not going to pretend like I know anything about the guy though.
Not that it really has any bearing on anything, but the Edge we drafted is faster than the WR the Bills drafted. Ten picks until we go. Watch OT, the second tier is probably gonna start gearing up here, wouldn't be surprised if we went that direction. I wonder if we were trying to trade back into round 1 for Guyton (Phins spent a lot of time with him). Interior OL will have options, and no safeties have come off the board yet. Also gonna throw out Troy Franklin. If we loved Worthy, Franklin is in a similar mold.
Early reaction and trade grade from cbssports.com: Patrick Paul OT, HOU Height: 6-7, Weight: 315 Strange fit because this is one of the least mobile blockers in the class. Mike McDaniel typically prioritizes athleticism along his offensive line. Absolutely enormous with supreme length. Hand placement is very inconsistent. Gets outside the shoulder pads. Very experienced. Does hit a need. (Chris Trapasso) C- https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/draft-tracker/
From nfl.com: Overview Long, athletic left tackle prospect whose pass protection is much further ahead of his run blocking. Paul’s hands are more active than well-timed or accurate in pass protection, but he does a nice job of muting rush challenges with a decent anchor and an adequate mirror around the top of the arc. He’s high-cut with a tendency to bend at the waist into contact. He struggles to sustain and finish as a run blocker but that doesn’t appear to be an issue in pass protection. Paul should continue to add play strength, but he also needs to display better effort and full-time grit if he wants to square off against NFL run defenders and become a well-rounded left tackle. Strengths Extremely long arms with the ability to land the first strike when his hands are right. Slides quickly down to the B-gap when edge rusher backs out or twists. Hands are active throughout the rep to maintain feel for the rusher. Squares and mirrors initial rush moves, which tends to deaden their momentum. Has the agility and footwork for recoveries at the top of the rush. Slides hips into place post-contact to help seal off kick-out blocks. Swings quickly from one block to the next on climb-up blocks. Weaknesses Pass set can turn into a mini gallop when racing out to meet edge speed. Needs to keep his weight back and his chin tucked in pass pro. Diminishes his length with a lack of consistent track on inside punch. High-cut with long legs that lead to consistently tall pad level. Allows back-side opponents to fight through his cut-off attempts. Doesn’t play with enough core strength or grit to be thought of as a block finisher. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/patrick-paul/32005041-5531-5620-7bbd-28573053873c
Well, all draft picks are projects. The idea is to pick who your coaches think is the best fit and has the best chance to learn from them. I’m no oline guru, and I haven’t watched anything on Paul, but he’s graded in the top 60-70% in nearly all physical traits. And he’s allowed 1 sack, 3 QB hits, and 6 QB hurries in his junior and senior years combined.
I mean, clearly they don't believe Armstead will be in the plans next year. But that neglects this year. You can defend the Chop pick because he will see the field, because Weaver does rotate his lines. But this is a weird move. Very unlikely he sees the field this year. I really feel like those "trade back into round 1" rumors were about Guyton now and once he got snatched by Dallas we called it a weekend. Ill still need to see the rest of the draft and offseason, but we definitely missed adding an immediate impact guy here. I will say though, this is the type of pick you make when you have high high high confidence in your OL coaching staff. And by all accounts we do.
It's a pick with the future in mind. A year of development, with maybe a chance to play some, will help develop Paul. He HAS to develop though and be ready to start in 2025 or the OL has little chance to be effective.
Chop will absolutely be on the field. Will he be a 3 down starter? No. Will he be playing and seeing the field? Yes. Weaver is a rotation guy. If these aren't the guys you wanted that's fine, but let's not exaggerate.
Chop is the 4th best edge guy on our roster. Chubb is a $100M guy. He is gonna be out on the field as much as possible. How many snaps do you really think Chop is getting once everyone is healthy?
I know nothing about him. Was just commenting on people saying he was worth the pick because "he's got great measurables." Measurables are nothing when you have low stats backing them up.
Again, he's not gonna be a 3 down starter but he will play. Phillips can play inside in passing situations and then you have all 3 on the field at the same time. And let's not assume health? Who were we starting against KC?
It's not just measurables, he can play. The tape is there. You see the measurables translate. People are hyper-focusing on a single stat. Go watch the game against Michigan and say he's not an impact player.
I appreciate the depth component. I really do. But even when you talk about having three guys on the field, I think Barrett is clearly the first guy off the bench. How many snaps do you think Chop is getting per game? You dodged the question.
I'm not dodging the question, I have honestly no idea. Many people on this board and elsewhere were crying about losing AVG, you think he wasn't gonna play? We were starting street free agents at the end against guys like Josh Allen and Pat Mahomes.
So are stats the measuring stick or not? Tua has some of the best stats in the NFL over the last 2 years. Sacks are definitely lacking for Chop, but his other stats are some of the best at his position in this years draft class. I’m repeating myself, but CK wrote it best, disruption is production, and Chop was the biggest disruptive edge player in college football last season.
To me that sounds like a good problem to have. Chubb and Barrett most likely will not be here in 2025. Having JP and an experienced and young edge player take one of those spots is good. And don’t get me wrong, I would have rather had Barton, but I understand their thinking here. It’s sound. And if Butch can take the guys he has for oline right now, and get them playing like they were early last season before injuries, that’s a good oline. Jackson looked like a bust before Butch.. same with Lamm… and both looked good last season. Armstead will probably miss 3-5 games, hopefully one or more of their OT’s can take the next step this next season. And my bet is they aren’t don’t in FA.
I think that this is old Miami Dolphins thinking, but we are no longer a disaster in a constant state of rebuilding. We needed to land some "now" or "very, very soon guys." Realistically, I do not see how we are gonna get a much out of our first two picks. I coulda stomached one developmental guy, but two just does not feel right.
I’m not so sure either are “projects”. PFF graded Paul as the best pass blocker in college last year. He’s definitely lacking in some technique, but he’s one of the most experienced olineman in this draft. Can Butch work his magic on him? Who knows, but I wouldn’t bet against that happening. And Chop could go on most teams and most likely start on day one. He may not here because JP will most likely be ready and Barrett is a seasoned and very good veteran. However, I can see Chop coming in for limited plays in week 1. He’s coming from PSU which ran a very similar defense that Weaver may run here. So there’s not a huge learning curve there… and Chops athletic traits will keep him in most plays even as a rookie. And we can’t discount the offseason. There’s work to be done, but guys can learn a lot in one offseason.
Well, it's blatantly obvious at this point. Those with an agenda toward Grier are going to cry about each and every pick that we make this weekend. It honestly makes no sense to me personally to piss and moan about a player that none of us have seen on the field yet as a pro. Now, in defense of people who don't like the pick...Well...Miami has rarely drafted a player that I actually was hoping and praying that we drafted in all my years of watching the sport, so I understand it to a certain point. The one time we took the player I wanted us to take, that player ended up being a bust. That player was John Avery back in 1998 or 99 I believe. Very rarely have we taken a guy that I wanted. Now, I quit watching college football about ten years ago and I quit following the draft around the same time so I know nothing about these prospects and for those of you who hate the selections, I doubt that you do either. The majority of you complaining about the picks, Grier, Tua, Ross, and The team, are just miserable boomer Dolphin fans who can't let go of the 72 season or the Marino glory years. You hate everything about Grier and Tua because it represents a shift in culture from the way things used to be and while I get that...This is still the Miami Dolphins that you've followed forever. We should probably wait and see what these guys can do before calling the draft a bust. People do it every year with their team and if they end up being wrong they never admit it and you never hear about it, but if they end up being right they throw it right back in the faces of everyone who thought otherwise. I'm personally going to wait and see how these prospects turn out. You'll usually know within a couple of years if they're going to amount to anything in the pros. In terms of this last pick...The O-Lineman...Well, this team is notorious for sustaining injuries to the offensive line. I'm fairly certain this guy is going to see the field quite a bit in his rookie season. The same can be said for Robinson. Both Phillips and Chubb are coming off of terrible injuries and Weaver rotates his defense like crazy. Both of these picks should be contributing right away at their respective positions. There's a saying...If the GM did what the fans wanted, he'd end up in the stands with them.
Guys also sustain injuries. Assuming that Robinson is not going to play at all despite Chubb and Phillips coming off devastating injuries and Barrett being an older player who is also susceptible to injuries himself is narrow-minded thinking. Robinson will definitely be playing day one barring a major setback.
The Dolphins have a starting LT right now that doesn't play every game and flirted with retirement this off-season. He can get hurt in training camp and call it quits.
I think Chop is probably gonna start week 1 with Barrett. I do think in a weird sorta way edge was a need because we really don't - for the moment - have a lot in terms of edge guys. I like that we got ahead of the curve on finding Armstead's replacement. I do think that Paul has a ton of potential. Heck, I think next year, I might be really happy to have him. The problem is that after about October, I don't see these guys contributing all that much. We are gonna have our top two draft picks as bench/rotational guys. I really think that if Armstead got hurt this year, Kendall Lamm would probably be the guy. I think Buffalo is taken major, major steps back, and we gotta be playing to win the division. Home playoffs in nice weather could really help us compete for a Super Bowl.
Micah Parsons had 6.5 sacks in his college career. That's not an arbitrary choice to compare against for what should be obvious reasons.
Seeing how Chubb tore his ACL in the last game of the regular season and rehab time is typically 9 months, Chubb’s not going to see any playing time in the first half of the season. Phillips may or may not be ready to go week1 We lost Thor to the Vikings. Unless Robinson is chewed up like a soup sandwich, he’ll likely see quite a bit playing time.
