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Why are we not allowed to spank our children anymore when they deserve it?...

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by CashInFist, Jun 6, 2015.

Should parents be allowed to spank their children?

  1. Yes, when they deserve it.

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  2. No, never. It's brutal and barbaric.

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  3. IDK, I'm undecided.

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  1. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    I never understood how that law got passed. Sometimes a child needs a good *** whooping. I used to get beat with a belt, big wooden spoons, brushes, etc. when I deserved it. And I knew I deserved it.

    I think this is a major problem with our younger generations. They are SO spoiled and feel so entitled that they have no concept of the REAL world. I've got news for you kids...it ain't friendly. We've raised a generation of wussies. And it's sad.

    This woman from Baltimore should get "Mother of the Year" award for showing "tough love" to her 16 year old son. But, now she is getting investigated by CPS (which is horsesh!t).

    What do you all think?

    [video=youtube;1tXSmCXZAuQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tXSmCXZAuQ[/video]
     
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  2. MikeHoncho

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    Yes. We should beat our kids. In fact, I believe we should be allowed to beat the hell out of anyone who does anything we disagree with. If the barista screws up my coffee order, I should be legally entitled to jump over the counter and beat him to within an inch of his life; to teach him a valuable life lesson. Isn't that the point?

    Guys? Guys? Where'd everybody go?
     
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  3. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    You could have saved time and just told us to get off your lawn.
     
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  4. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    You always make me laugh. :lol:

    Why shouldn't we be allowed to spank our kids when they deserve it?

    EDIT: And what do you think of the Baltimore mom that saved her son?
     
  5. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    It's called evolving as a society, plain and simple. If a parent actually puts the energy into being a good, dedicated parent, then you'll never have to spank the hell out of your kid. People who feel like they have to smack their kid around are typically crappy parents that are overcompensating for being a bad parent. Having said that, there are attention getters, smack in the butt, that can be effective.
     
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  6. Two Tacos

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    Yep. I don't believe an adult cannot come up with a nonviolent punishment worse than spanking. Teaching that hitting is appropriate for anything but defense, or mutually agreed upon play, doesn't seem like a good idea. Particularly with young children.

    How wierd is it that we beat our kids, but cannot beat murders and rapists. When we put someone to death, legally it has to be as painless as possible. We cannot spank a serial killer as punishment.

    Full disclosure: I am not a parent, will not become a parent, do not want to be a parent.


    Also, I wonder if similar conversations happened when things like "the rule of thumb" still applied regarding wives.
     
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  7. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Even if the parent is a good dedicated parent theres going to be times the child disobeys. Thats just how it is. My parents were amazing. There were definitely times I didnt listen to what they said or asked. They didnt abuse me. They gave me a smack on the behind told me to put down the video game controller and to go do my damn homework. And guess what? I did. I did it because I didnt like the way that chain of events happened.

    I wouldnt support physical violence but to me a smack on the behind when raising a child is a form of discipline. A smack in the head is a form of violence. Theres a big difference. There definitely some that take it too far and some that dont take it far enough in disciplining their kids. Those are mostly the same people who probably shouldnt have kids.
     
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  8. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Put me in charge. Ill flip the script on that one in a second. Violence towards people who commit violence should be allowed.

    I mean picture a conversation like this:

    Me: "Hey Two Tacos, whats goin on man?
    You: "Boik, I had a crap day at work bro. My boss had a bug up his behind all day and took it out on me. Wanna grab a beer?"
    Me: "We'll grab a beer but first I think I know what will help. Why dont we stop by the prison first where Ill buy you 5 minutes alone with an inmate who murdered a family. Go punch him in the face a few times"
    *A few minutes later*
    You: "Thanks Boik, you were right. I just pictured my boss's face on that douche. I think I broke his nose. Now I feel better. How about that beer?"
     
  9. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Not according to any credible psychologist or scientist. The psychological and physical developmental mechanisms affected are the same, regardless of the parents intent. The degree of damage done will likely be different (abuse vs. spanking), but the outcome will always result in a negative.
     
  10. cdz12250

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    If you hit your kid to take out your anger after verbal admonishments and reason have been ineffective, you've already failed. Corporal punishment should be administered very rarely, to inflict momentary pain but never to injure, and always in cold blood and logically, accompanied by an explanation of the reason for the punishment and the behavior expected. Its purpose is to educate regarding the adverse consequences of inappropriate behavior. I would defend it in any court in the land.
     
  11. MikeHoncho

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    Well, that got dark in a hurry
     
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  12. Two Tacos

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    I get the spirit of your reply, but honestly, I hope I'm never someone who would get any sort of catharsis from beating another human. Excepting sparring, rolling, etc...
     
  13. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Bottom line, yes, parents should be allowed to spank their child. Whether it's effective, or the right thing to do, or tells of how ineffective you are as a parent is a different discussion. I just threaten to take away their most prized possession. Their ipad or iphone. Whether that is the "right" thing to do... probably open for interpretation again.
     
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  14. Bpk

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    Complex, context-based question based on many layers reduced to simple Yes-No.

    If I am forced to evaluate this as a total generalization that will be applied to ALL situations I HAVE to say NO it's not okay, because of the evils that will occur under it's umbrella.

    If we can go case-by-case and really examine the definitions of 'beat' and 'deserve' to get clarity, then maybe we can have a deeper discussion.

    For now, just spank your girlfriend when she doesn't bring you your Busch-Lite in the camo-can after a hard day of watching Funny Car Racing.
     
  15. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    How can you definitively say yes, spanking should be allowed, when in the very next sentence you question the effectiveness and morality of spanking?


    It isn't a complex question. Physical force against a child has long term negative consequences in regards to their development. There's no credible research in the world that would suggest otherwise. Hitting kids is bad for them, regardless of whether the intention was designed to teach.
     
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  16. Boik14

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    Different strokes for different folks. I dont get any kicks out of it but some people do need a good asskicking. May as well take a negative and make it in to something positive.

    Youre talking about violence against children. Spanking a child as a form of discipline is not a violent reaction in my opinion. It tells a child that what they did is not ok in that particular circumstance. It shouldnt be used every time. It should be used when a child has been told numerous times to stop doing or saying a particular thing and after all other options have been exhausted. It should not be done in anger or as a threat, but in my opinion it should be done to elicit a certain response or emotion from the child. You want the child to be sorry about whatever they did or said and you want to stop the reaction. Of course the reaction will be negative...you just disciplined a child to stop doing something they thought was funny or cool.
     
  17. Fin D

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    Spanking or hitting children is the easy solution. Anytime its taken, it is based on either frustration or lack of knowing what else to do or lack of will power to try anything else.

    Hitting someone you love makes no sense and ultimately, is for the benefit of the punisher not the punishee.

    i also don't wanna hear from anyone how its hard for them to do it, if they are defending its practice. If it was hard to do and physically hurt your child, then you'd find another solution. I firmly believe, anyone who spanks their child, enjoys it on some level or another.
     
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  18. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    Nobody answered about the woman in Baltimore that saved her son. Did she do the right thing?
     
  19. Bpk

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    Will it affect your decision to date her?

    I suspect it will not.
     
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  20. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    I already hit it. That was my son.
     
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  21. Bpk

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    He needs you.

    [I edited this like ten times. It's hard to find a way to joke about CiF having an African American son and still obey TOS]
     
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  22. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    The gold "P" on the black hat stands for "Player".
     
  23. Bpk

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    NO.

    P-l-a-y-A-H
     
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  24. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Rights as a parent. Nobody should be able to legislate or dictate that from a parent. Now schools with headmasters (private school where i grew up) could punish a child that way. Im not sure i would want anyone else doing that to my kids. But again as a parent.... Whats the old Cosby line? I brought u into this world and i can take u out of it!! :lol:
     
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  25. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Btw. Curious those that have voted. Who of those has children actually?
     
  26. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    I'd pay to beat the hell out of that guy that tortured and murdered that family in Washington, DC, including a 10 year old boy. I'd like to torture him, too.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/22/us/washington-mansion-fire-slayings/
     
  27. CashInFist

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    I'm willing to bet $$$ to doughnuts that most of the ones that voted "Yes" have children and the ones that voted "No" do not.
     
  28. CashInFist

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    EDIT: I know that Two Tacos and lmeister3 do not. I'm not sure about Clark Kent, and I pray to God that Fin D doesn't. LOL :lol:
     
  29. Clark Kent

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    That's the scary thing, child abuse and spanking cause the some developmental problems. Reduced grey matter in the brain, anxiety, depression, aggression, inability to focus, lowered IQ, etc... Obviously to varying degrees, as a child who is chronically abused is likely to experience far more problems to worse degrees.

    The disconnect here is intent. Parents who spank their children may believe it's for the greater good. A teaching moment. But the reality is, striking a child for any reason has long term negative consequences. Whether or not a parent means well is irrelevant, they're causing harm. I think this is a good analogy... I'll let you guys be the judge.

    6 hours of sleep per night vs. 8/9 hours of sleep per night.

    You can function with 6 hours of sleep. You can do all the same activities with 6 hours hours sleep as you could with 8. Yet, with 8 hours of sleep, you can do everything better. Activities of any kind that you never notice or pay attention to, are easier, quicker, better. You're your superior self with 8/9 hours of sleep.

    Children who experience corporal punishment become the limited version of themselves rather than the superior version. There's 25+ years of scientific research on the subject and there's no evidence of any kind that would even suggest that spanking is in any way, shape, or form, helpful to the developmental process of a child. It's always negative.
     
  30. Clark Kent

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    For the record, I don't have children (yet). When I do eventually, I won't hit/spank them because it does nothing but **** them up. It's counter productive.

    I think Fin D's post is pretty much perfect. I don't have anything to add to it, so it can speak for itself. I would point out, I think you're suggesting, based on the bet you're willing to make, that those without kids don't understand the frustration of them misbehaving, for which Fin D brought up a basic truth of spanking, as I see it.

     
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  31. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    This is a bunch of horsecrap. There have been Presidents (probably about all of them), World leaders, famous surgeons and scientists, lawyers, etc etc, that were spanked as a child and grew up just fine. It wasn't until the PC Police stepped in because they didn't like it and made it a crime. This is one of the many problems with the young generation. They are a bunch of spoiled brats.
     
  32. CashInFist

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    JUUUUUSSSST wait....LOL

    That's all I'm going to say about that. :lol:
     
  33. CashInFist

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    That's funny you said that. We do spank each other frequently, and HARD. And we LIKE it. Dead serious, spices things up sometimes. LOL
     
  34. cdz12250

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    I was taught in the mid-Sixties by Irish Christian Brothers at a Catholic high school in the Northeast. The brothers believed in public corporal punishment as one of the tools of education. Hold out your palm, get a sharp smack with a rubber strap per wrong answer on an easy ten-question Latin quiz. It stung, but there was no injury. It only hurt for a minute or so, and it was deemed far better than two hours of detention, standing in line in silence.
    We learned to take care to study in order to avoid the fleeting pain and, more importantly, the public humiliation. If anyone was traumatized, he hid it well. It was something we all had in common as a class. No one wanted Brother Nick to stop at one's desk when he strolled down the aisles wielding Bawana (yes, he named the strap). I doubt that it made me any better of a person, but it certainly taught me about consequences.
    Things are different in school today, I imagine; and maybe it's because I'm old and times have changed, but it seems to me that the product of education today is, on the average (I'm not talking about the top students) far inferior than it was fifty or so years ago. You have to wonder how much discipline has to do with that, which is what makes corporal punishment a debatable point to me.
     
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  35. CashInFist

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    Spanking does NO HARM...

    http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2001/08/24_spank.html

    http://www.nospank.net/cnn.htm

    http://www.drmaglio.com/articles/parenting/punish_parents.php

    Punish Parents for not Spanking

    Domenick J. Maglio, Ph.D. Neo-Traditionalist

     
  36. CashInFist

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    You should read my above post.

    ONLY a 12 year study by Elizabeth Owens, from the Institute of Human Development at the University of California, at Berkley. But hey, what does she know??
     
  37. Ohio Fanatic

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    that's a weak statement. I can tell you that my mother used to beat the crap out of me when she spanked my brother and I (he got the worst of it). It effects our relatiionship with our wives (girlfriends) on a daily basis. I go out of my way to raise my child differently. I've never hit either child beyond the moderate smack on the butt (which I haven't done in years). My oldest is arguably the best behaved kid in the school - BECAUSE I speak to her almost every day on the right way to behave and interact with others.

    The difference between a good parent and a mediocre parent? The difference is between being proactive and reactionary. The former being the obvious better parent.
     
  38. CashInFist

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    That's all I ever advocated. You just proved my point. LOL
     
  39. CashInFist

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    EDIT: And did you read about the 12 year study I posted earlier, just a few posts above? And that's from a LIBERAL University...
     
  40. WELDERPAT

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    I did an intense 21 year study.
    Spanking is okay.
    I raised two sons.
    They turned out great.
     

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