Jarvis is going to be a good WR, but ODB has a physical gift that is unprecedented. I applaud Landry for his efforts and I like what we have in him....but I dunno bout a Pro Bowl WR, be nice though.
OBJ is a beast. At the pro bowl he was kicking 45 yard FG's after revealing he played the year with a small tear in each hammy. Victor who? The big thing with Landry is his evolution as a player. Is he going to evolve in to much more then what he is now? I question it because of his speed (or lack of). He has a chance because he gets to top year quickly and he's so shifty and precise in and out of his breaks and cuts but he might be an ideal #2 more then a legit #1.
OBJ will be known as the best WR in the NFL in a year or two, for pete sakes, he's already a top 10 IMO.
Honestly... If Miami used him as a wide out.. He'd make the plays down field almost as much as say a Mike Wallace. His catch radius is much larger, and much higher. Where Wallace has to get behind someone.. Jarvis will attack or position himself to get the ball. He's just so damned good in the slot. The only thing that seperates Juice from ODB is top end speed. I really think in the right system, 14 can put up similar numbers over his career as a guy who wore 80.
I don't think Landry gets enough credit. He can be a #1 WR pending he develops nicely which I think he will. Speed isn't everything. The greatest WR of all time (Jerry Rice) ran a 4.71, 40 yard dash. Route running, YAC, ability to play above your pads, footwork, passion, heart, ambition, work ethic are bigger keys then Size and Speed. That's all people drool over now a days. Little Antonio Brown was the best WR in the NFL this year. Just saying.
Landry isn't the gazelle that OBJ is, but he's similar to guys like Golden Tate, Wes Welker, Steve Smith, Anquan Boldin, and Julian Edelman. Feisty, iron man type of player, always seem to be playing harder than everyone else on the field....Yeah....Landry might not be a number one option, but he's a hard worker and he'll be right there with some of the better slot receivers in the game. If he improves ball security and his foot work I think he can give Antonio Brown type production....
Antonio Brown type production would mean he is a #1. AB84 was hands down the best WR in football this year. Nobody brought it all 16 games like AB84 did this year.
It is usually setting the bar very high, because what made Jerry Rice one of if not the greatest football player of all time was his work ethic. Jerry Rice worked at being the best ever. That is the bar Landry sets for himself. If you follow him on twitter, he will say some things that just make you go damnnn...its all work for him. Then he doesnt stop there, he visualizes being the best ever. And its not...arrogance. Not at all. Its what he believes.
What will really begin to set Landry apart, is hes gonna learn how to be an NFL receiver. He will watch tape of who ever is covering and begin to learn to exploit weakness. He will begin to learn how to do the things that mitigate the lack of top end speed. Similar in how Zach Thomas mitigated his lack of size, by knowing where to be before sometimes even the offense.
Golden Tate is a really good athlete. He is not known for being feisty or a hard worker. He did improve as the seasons went by.
As much as I like Landry, I don't see #1 WR potential in him. I see elite drive and focus in him and I see elite hands, but I don't see other elite physical skills. His catch radius is bigger than Wallace's, but that's not saying much as Wallace's catch radius is notoriously bad. Landry has decent physicality and decent speed. He doesn't have great size or a great catch radius. He has never shown much ability to succeed on deep passes. Rice made up for his lack of burner speed by using his good size and really good reach as well as excellent route running. Landry could emulate that route running, but not the other two. Also Rice played in a different era where his speed wasn't that far below the norm. When Rice came in a 4.5 was still a fast WR. I actually think Rice was timed incorrectly or he just played fast. IMO Rice was realistically about a 4.55 at a time when 4.50 was still considered good. And at the time 6'2" 200 lbs was a big WR. That was like a 6'5" WR in today's game. Comparatively, Landry is far more limited from an athleticism standpoint than Rice was. In fact, by the standards of the time Rice was an elite prospect. His big knock was his level of competition. If he'd come out of a major program he would have easily been a top 5 pick. I just don't see Rice as a reasonable comparison to Landry. I think Landry's ceiling would be a Hines Ward type career. That would be fantastic of course, but Ward was never a true #1 WR. I do agree that he can make the pro bowl. I think he can be very similar to a Golden Tate. IMO Tate is better on the outside, but Landry can have similar success on crossing routes and short passes. I see Tate as a reasonable if somewhat optimistic target for what Landry could become for us.
I believe your right, while his athletic ability has a cap, his mind and heart does not..he has potential to be best slot in the game and thats a big deal.
Yeah he was great in Detroit this year, i've been following him since his Notre Dame days. Glad he's doing well finally.
I remember Mike Mayock saying that he couldn't tell the two apart when on the field at LSU. He also said Landry was one of his four or so favorite players in last years draft. It will be interesting to see what Landry can do if we improve our Oline and let plays develop more.
You're right, Antonio Brown has worked his butt off though to get to this point. From a guy projected to be a return specialist to where he is now is amazing! His footwork is some of the best I have ever seen at the position. If Landry can take anything from Antonio Brown and emulate it, it should be his footwork. I think mastering that trait has made all the difference in Browns career so far.
I should note, it helps that those two have decent gun slingers throwing them the ball. Eli has been a wreck but overall he's decent and prolific. Big Ben is Big Ben. Such an amazing class. How good would Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans season have been, had they decent QBs even someone like a Carson Palmer all year.
Landry is solid but he's not anything compared to Beckham. And, what else is Beckham going to say about a close friend with whom he went to college? "Meh, he's mediocre." Right. You might as well ask Landry's siblings what they think about the player. Landry is a solid #3, potential #2, but still not physical enough to be a really strong #2 in the league. I don't know that he'll ever become that. He doesn't have the quick feet that a Welker or Edelman has. Nor does he have the physicality that a Boldin type has. And he doesn't have the speed of a Beckham. I love the kid and am glad we have him - but homerism aside - he's a decent #3. This team will need another starter going into next season (after, hopefully, they jettison Hartline's contract).
Agree. I'm hoping we don't regret passing over an Allen Robinson for him. We also skipped over Jeremy Hill, Carlos Hyde (who remains to be seen obviously).
mayock was wrong..and said so when he was saying it. Javis Landry will be the best slot in the game...thats good enough to outweigh his draft value..which is something that some of us including myself underestimated but a smidgen.
I don't care what he says about his old teammate. He's starting to talk like he's Terrell Owens in his first year no less. WTH is he? Grimes still had a better catch !
OBJ wins rookie of the year.. dude is on top of the world...good looking dude as well, must be living the dream right about now on a saturday nite in phoenix..lol
I'm rooting for Mike Evans (dynasty team ). I wish eli was throwing to Evans instead of that junk they got down there in Tampa ugh. I'm sticking with ODB
Armando, believe it or not, had a great post on the Landry question. IMHO, I think this issue is key for the off-season. If the staff thinks he can be effective on the outside, then could spend their dollars/draft picks on improving pass protection/red zone running game. And this could result in keeping Wallace and renegotiating with Hartline as both would benefit from longer-to-develop routes. Can Landry be effective as an strong-side outside receiver for Tannehill's 1st progression? If/when Tannehill scrambles to his right, would Landry be an attractive target by coming back for the ball or slipping behind the CB?
If this stat is correct, Jarvis averages 5.5 yac per reception. Seeing as he averaged 9 ypc that means, on his catches (not all targets), he was roughly 4.5 yards from LOS when making the catch (a lot were at or behind the LOS I believe). http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/yards-after-the-catch/2014/ Starting a whole season I can see Landry as a 90-100 catch, 900-1000 yard WR. I'm not sure I see a consistent outside WR
I love Landry but honestly if he gives us solid #2 numbers and gets into a couple of probowls in his career he was more than worth the draft pick we spent on him. I don't get the comparisions to HOF receivers or the notion that he is ever going to be physically dominant, its like we can't just be happy that we made a good draft pick and got a rock solid player. He also gives us a high energy, hard worker that can fill a leadership void on this team which makes him even more valuable. I don't see a HOf career for him but he can be a wonderful player for us for a lot of years which is obviously very valuable.
Landry belongs primarily as a slot. It's hard to seriously affect a defense or be a big game-changer from there, but Landry has a GREAT shot at being one of those rare guys. He's awesome in traffic, handles contact in the middle really well, and can outmuscle smaller #3 CBs. I do think think we need to use him more down the seam a bit, at least make it more of a threat, as you saw him catch lots of balls down the hashmarks at LSU by getting position and using his catch radius (which are special skills of his). Put that to more use and I think he'll be even better. Also, when we talk about moving him outside...look at the QB. Tannehill since he started playing the position leans HEAVY on his slot man, whether it's Ryan Swope or Brandon Gibson or Landry, etc. His slot guys always put up big numbers. He's always had an affinity to those routes/areas of the field. Landry can be that guy for a long time. You add in the RAC ability and now we're talkin. I think people forget how hard it is to be a legit outside threat at 5'11 ~200lbs. Those dudes are rare...and usually fast. And even though it's easy to compare them because they are so tight and came from the same school, Landry doesn't have near the athletic gifts of Odell Beckham. He just doesn't. And that's fine. Landry can affect the game inside to a certain, if lesser, degree. And I mean...it's his best position. Maybe it's news to the Dolphins that it's smart to keep guys at their best position rather than moving them around for need (*cough* Mike Pouncey, *cough* Ju'Wuan James, *cough* Dion Jordan). He'll play outside occasionally, sure, but let him be dynamic/productive where he has the best chance to be dynamic. To say nothing about the fact that he was just one of if not the best slot in the game last season...
Landry played the #2 receiver at LSU and he did very well in that spot. Easily much better than Hartline and with OBJ playing the #1 with Mettenberger at QB it was like watching a college version of Marino, Duper, and Clayton of course with Landry being much slower but y'all get my drift. It was allot of fun to watch. Wish we had all 3 in Miami..Tanny needs a good younger back up.