To all the Joe Philbin supporters : A Question Simple question that should really let us take a real good look at the "Head Honcho", "The Man", The Jefe" Joe Philbin is a career Offensive line coach. Why do you think our offensive line sucks if this is the case? Respectable teams start in the Trenches. One would think we would have the best line in the NFL - but we dont WHY?
They were top 10 in both run blocking and pass protection before Albert went down. Now they are 9th in run blocking and 18th in pass protection. So what would be acceptable for you? Seattle, KC, GB and Dallas are all ranked about the same as us, but it doesn't seem to bother them too much.
You know I don't blame philbin at all. I blame Ross for hiring a guy that was offensive cord who didnt even call the plays. Philbin was probally shocked he got the job and what is he supposed to do turn it down.
Because coaches that are specialists like OL think they can make chicken salad out of chicken ****. They feel they can "coach them up". It's why I don't get excited over "specialists".
Blame Ireland for missing on so many OL picks and who can forget the long list of woeful and done free agent olineman he brought in. This year we have a couple of keepers but we still need help at three positions.
Lmao @ "Philbin lovers". Your apparent lack of understanding in the basic concepts of the sport makes your condescending tone all the more ironic.
Why another Philbin thread is because Philbin is the head coach and responsible for this team. He is a career Offensive line coach. And our line is our Achilles heal Given the fact that we have lived and died by the offensive line this year and probably will not make the playoffs as a result, who's fault should it be --- Sparano, Ireland...??
I don't think any of us, myself included, knows with certainty how much of the team's performance to attribute to Joe Philbin. It could very well be the case, for example, that the team could be performing worse with the same personnel, under a different head coach. Or it could be performing the same, or better. Who knows.
This has been our Achilles for years it is no secret. Shouldn't these positions have been addressed? So we brought in Albert. Who is awesome. What shouldn't have happened was Jake Long leaving this team. What other moves did we make regarding the line. We hung our hat on Albert and he went down........short sighted IMO and will most likely be the story of the 2014 Miami Dolphins. We have not been the same team since
Is there any solid evidence you're aware of that even offensive line coaches, let alone head coaches, who are much less involved in individual team units, make an offensive line play better?
I guess for me it is difficult to watch this team play step for step with the Denver Broncos, crush the San Diego chargers and man handle the New England Patriots, then jump out to a 10 point lead on a team that is clearly inferior then we are and to get out scored 28-3 the last 3 quarters. We have a talented team I don't get these collapses
Of course none of us likes how the Baltimore game turned out, but how does that tell us what to attribute to Joe Philbin?
Just for you Foreign car guy (psst, buy American), I changed the thread title to Supporter. I was going to put jock supporter in honor of you but decided it was better to keep it clean
In my opinion you cant blame our Oline woes on a specific thing, or person, like the HC. At the beginning of the season we had a totally new Oline. Keep that in mind. Last season Philbin wanted Albert and that would have been a good step in building a strong Oline and we could have put focus elsewhere this season (like depth). Our pro bowl center was out with a hip injury so we had to find a replacement, when our pro bowler got healthy we put him into a position he hasn't played for us yet. We have a rookie starter who moved position because Albert went down(big shoes to fill especially for a rookie) and we filled his position with a backup, D. Thomas. Colledge suffered from sickness (migranes?) and we had to make adjustments, think he is better now though. The fact that they are 9th in run blocking is a huge surprise to me.
Because they beat us through our line. The Ravens were simply better. Once they figured out our short passing game, which took a little over a quarter we were done like dinner. Tannehill had zero time and was unable to throw. We had 63 yards rushing for the game and have given up 661 in the last 3 games
How can you not blame Philbin. It is no secret that our offensive line has been the Achilles heal of this team for the last 5 years..........and we are still talking about it. We had 63 yards rushing last week
I hardly view Baltimore as a clearly inferior team. Closer to the truth is that the Phins are...no two ways about that.
First of all, we don't even know if offensive line coaches make their lines play better. Second, we don't know if head coaches who were former offensive line coaches make their lines play better. Third of all, we don't know if either of those things happen so consistently that even one game isn't permitted to run counter to it.
I don't think this is a Philbin discussion at all....it's more of a front office one. Because like others have said, we had great protection before a few key starters went down and it's been a domino effect ever since. So the real question here should be, "Why did Hickey and this administration not bring in better quality back up help? Especially since we have a long history of our left tackle getting hurt." For me, the answer is pretty simple....you can only get so much talent in one season. It's important to remember that we started an entirely new offensive line this season (since Pouncey was out hurt) and that's beyond rare in the NFL. It's hard enough to bring in 5 caliber starters in one season, so I give everyone a pass for the line problems...for now. We'd better have 3-5 new names at backup line before next season though, because the drop in talent massive.
And by the same token you have to tip your cap to Hickey et al., because there wouldn't be such a drop-off if Albert and James weren't so good. Even the starters would be poor, the drop-off would be much less, and the team's record would probably be poorer.
Well, for some reason Peyton Manning teams almost always seem to have the best o-line. Why do you think that is? Does he always coincidentally have the best o-line coach in the business, from year to year, and team to team, or maybe there's more to it than just coaching?
No one is going to be able to refute your position that Philbin is at fault for this portion of the team's play. It's an unfalsifiable position. When you choose to take an unfalsifiable position, you can argue it until the death without being proven wrong, because by its very nature no one can refute it.
There are still Joe Philbin lovers? That just doesn't make sense to me. I don't think I could even understand that logic. The man has no spine. We need a coach who is going to rally the players, a coach who is going to get in the face of an official and bark his ear off if we get a bull**** bad penalty against us. This team needs a Coach with balls and high football IQ.
I CONCUR. I did not say it was only coaching. More could have been done and I would expect the HEAD COACH given his pedigree to be all up and involved in it since it is the number one glaring hole this team has had for 5 years or more Apparently he hasn't been. I am not surprised
He asked for things to be done and Ireland refused. That is why Ireland was fired and Philbin remained, so he did get a pass.
Gotcha...Tannehill again huh? Never get tired of that agenda....wow . Every single one of your responses are so slanted..EVERY SINGLE ONE. Finally ready to move on from Joe, Roy? I saw you are finally going to give up on him, just so you can stick it to RT. A post about the OL..RT's fault. A post about the RB's? RT's fault. A post about the defenses collapse..RT's fault. A post about the HC's job performance? Guess who?
Fair. SO what are we really saying then? If Philbin has direct responsibility for allowing this line to "fester" and not going out on a limb and fixing it, is this a leader? I would rather be 2-14 for one season and fix the line once and for all then to be stuck in 8-8 purgatory forever.....JMO
You think its realistic to think we should have the top o-line in the league because Philbin used to be an o-line coach? My point is it doesn't matter how great our coaching is or talent is we will never be number one as long as Peyton Manning is in the league. And its ridiculous to think otherwise.
I thought you were arguing that it's impossible to tell the job a head coach is doing if he doesn't have very good quarterback play, and Ryan Tannehill doesn't have the tenure in the league to permit the conclusion that he (Tannehill) would be doing better in a different scenario.