Looking back at the last two games, the Panthers and Jets, and considering Mike Wallace's performance Correct me if I'm wrong here, doesn't he have a 30 yd td reception and a 50 yd td reception in them?
Happened to catch a glimpse of Wallace burning a Panthers Db for a Td, this is what I thought: -replay first started :"Groan, that hail mary throw is being re-run to have a hit piece on us" -He catches the ball and scores a Td instead Oh yeah, he did do that, and he did score that Td v NYJ To me, that is his place, not inside the 10, more 30-50 yd plays for long Td's, not that he is helpless as a Wr weapon, more those things are what he is good at doing
why yes he does sir Padre.. he's starting to feel himself, usually when that kind of talent starts to feel itself it can be contagious.. its the right time for that to happen.
Maybe he will learn to run more routes than a go route and a crossing route and become a more complete receiver to justify his salary.
do you feel that his salary would be justified if we got the same production he got in pittsburg??or is this just a system issue?
Yeah he is, and I believe it's direct result from OL playing better. Just got to give Ryan time to find him.
Why do we always blame the players for the inflated salaries? Blame the market and the people who make the deals. Is Wallace worth his money? No, many players aren't. I am pretty sure though that his contract doesn't have stipulations for salary that state he must master more routes and become more dimensional. He got offered a contract to do the same job he did in Pittsburgh, and although the production isn't the same, I can't blame him for that. I know if I could get paid more to perform my same job, I would take it. And I don't think I should be blamed for doing anything wrong if I did.
He's not going to ever really 'justify' that salary. But if you want a big time WR in his prime you're going to have to overpay for him. And for me, if he can do what he did in Pitt, then it was a good deal for the Dolphins. If he can average 1000 yards and 8 TDs while opening up the field for the rest of the offense, then he's well worth what you gave him.
Only if his production matches the production he had over a 16 game period that covered the latter half of the 2010 season and the first half of the 2011 season. In that 16 game period, Mike had 83 receptions for 1,627 yards and 11 TDs (19.6 yards per reception). Outside of that 16 game period, Mike Wallace has not been a top receiver. Basically, 40% of all the yards he gained as a receiver from 2009-2012 came in that 16 game span.
No. 1,000 yard receivers that get 8 TDS are a dime a dozen. You don't have to pay $60 million to get that production.
Again, that 16 game sample does not matter. His BODY OF WORK in Pittsburgh made him a top 5 producing WR in the NFL. That is what we paid for. He has 4 games to get 400 yards and 4 TD's to keep his production level (roughly) the same (with somewhere around a 14 YPC avg, I got to re-calculate)..... Can he do it?
From 2009-2012, Wallace was 10th in receiving yards in the NFL, 21st in receptions, and 4th in TDs. Outside of that 16 game stretch, Mike Wallace is a receiver that averaged 51 receptions for 805 yards and 7 TDs during his Pittsburgh career. That 16 game stretch, which obviously was a fluke, inflated his numbers.
First of all, I didn't just say 1000 yards and 8 TDs. By simply being on the field he makes your offense better by opening up the field. That is part of the package he brings. Also, that kind of production is not dime a dozen. How many players average those numbers over a 4 year span? Last year there were only 10 WRs in the NFL that accomplished both. In 2011, 9 WRs. 2010, 9 WRs. And those are guys that simply accomplished it once. If you're talking about averaging it over that period of time, one would assume that number gets smaller. That means you have to be a top 10 WR to put up those numbers. If you're a top 10 WR in production and scare defenses so much that it makes the rest of your offense that much better, you are worth big money. Those guys don't grow on trees. In order to get one you have to get lucky and draft one, or spend a lot of money.
I agree with 24, i think you must account for what he does for an offense without the ball in his hands... I know a high salary player can mess with your cap if your not getting enough production, but i have to wait until after the season to see if we could clearly tell how much the wallace affect is giving us..if we make the playoffs and he rises his game doing so, we might have a good discussion.
After doing some research, the only WRs to average 1000 yards and 8 TDs over the past 4 years other than Wallace are: Calvin Johnson, Marques Colston, and Roddy White. Not Larry Fitzgerald. Not Wes Welker. Not Brandon Marshall. Not Reggie Wayne. Not Andre Johnson. I would say that's hardly dime a dozen.
This idea that he impacts the game when he isn't touching the ball is probably the most overrated impact in all of football. Brian Hartline isn't anymore productive now than he was without Wallace last year. Charles Clay is giving us the same production he had on a smaller scale from last year. The only difference is that this year, he is getting an opportunity. Your impact on the game is what you do when you touch the football.
So, you think a 16 game span in the middle of a 64 game set tells you more than the entire the set of data? You also want to ignore a 24 game stretch at the end of that data set that shows a downward trend in production that has continued through this year's 12 game set? Why not? We have ignored the fact that he is a lousy route runner who was put into a timing passing offense.
Yep. The fact that Mike Wallace may be the most overpaid receiver in the NFL right now is not up for debate. That fact that this is just another in a long line of poor personnel decisions by Jeff Ireland isn't up for debate. It is very apparent that there are still a lot of Dolphins fans that do not realize this.
A) one is trying to apply bull**** stats to the NFL..do not do that B) gosh binky, your methodology is flawed, 64 games, then where is the chart or stats that show the matrix between other players' production, other Wr production, dropped passes etc Of all the things, I truly despise, this idea of "stats rule all things" in the NFL is at the top of the list Each and every NFL game is 120 plays or more of a heavy weight fight with wildly unpredictable results as to outcome and yet...gosh..let's reduce the guy sticking a finger into the offensive or defensive lineman's facemask, and a missed tackle into it KB, you of all people should know better, one has been seduced by numbers and not by what you are seeing
Poor KB, it must pain him to see Wallace producing while doing everything he said he couldn't. All that while consistently being open deep. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk
What's really funny about this debate is that many of the same people that are the first to cry about persecution when people disagree with them about being negative on Tannehill, are turning around a persecuting people who are negative about Wallace.
Being "negative" is one thing...going out of your way to hate on a player is another. Wallace has been playing fantastic, and still there are some that can't just admidt that. Funny to me.
Hartline right now is catching the highest percentage of passes thrown his way in his career. Hartline improving? Wallace effect? Dunno. But he is more productive now than any year previous.
