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Does anyone expect to see Wheeler on the bench for our game against SD?

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  1. JShady

    JShady Miami Heat lover

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    I sure hope he doesn't see the field at all. I blame him for losing to the Bucs.
     
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  2. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    A hell of alot more than one player are to blame for the loss to the Bucs...
     
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  3. Disgustipate

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    If anyone on this team needs to be benched, it's Mike Wallace.
     
  4. sports24/7

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    I really hope not because Jason Trusnik is awful. It was a stupid play for sure, but the Dolphins are way too thin at LB.
     
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  5. Vertical Limit

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    As much as Wallace sucks... Marlon Moore is worse. But hell if we're going to Suck for Watkins, then sure bench Wallace.
     
  6. Disgustipate

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    Rishard Matthews?
     
  7. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    How would putting Matthews in for Wallace improve the team?
     
  8. RickyBobby

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    I'm ready to trade wallace and draft a wr, along with 10 lineman.

    Go forward with hartline, Gibson, Matthews and binns
     
  9. Disgustipate

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    Having another guy at wide receiver besides Brian Hartline who can run routes and catch balls would be really beneficial to this offense, I think.

    Matthews might not scale up his performance to a full-time starting role at this point, but it would be hard for him to fold under pressure and scrutiny worse than Wallace has.
     
  10. mlb1399

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    From a talent standpoint, it wouldn't. From the standpoint of sending a message that half a&& efforts and giving up will no longer be tolerated, possibly a lot.

    To the OP's point, the "upgrade" from Burnett and Dansby to Ellerbe and Wheeler has been an epic fail.

    PFF Ranking
    Burnet: 13th
    Wheeler: 34th
    Dansby: 16th
    Ellerbe: 23rd
     
  11. padre31

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    Wheeler has been dreadful, can't tackle, can't cover, can blitz.

    As for Wallace, THill has missed on 7 wide open deep throws to him, bench Wallace bench Tannehill.

    Guys I'd replace w/street FA's
    -John Jerry
    -Tyson Clabo

    Guys I'd replace or limit their playing time:

    -Phillip Wheeler, Dion Jordan comes to mind off hand
    -Jason Trusnik

    Bubble guy:

    Marcus Thigpen, the boom or bust happens to often
     
  12. finfansince72

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    I'd bench Thigpen, he's just a disaster waiting to happen in the return game. Wheeler did do a lot to justify benching him or at least playing him less but the problem with benching players is who replaces them? We don't have any better olinemen or WRs or LBs to take people's place. Replacing a lot of these guys is going to take an offseason with the draft and FA.
     
  13. padre31

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    Reason why Thigpen is a bubble guy is his issues are either mental, he's a dumb player, or coaching, he simply has not been properly coached.

    Upside to him is when we need a big return he seems to come through, he took the ball down to what the 20 yd line on MNF?

    As for Wheeler, I think so, think Jordan or Jenkins should play more than him, he should be a pass rushing specialist 80% of the time.

    Jerry and Clabo are simply disasters, hard to think we could not find guys walking the street, ala Willie Colon or whomever, who could replace them and achieve better results.
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    It's too late to try and switch gears on Dion Jordan and make him a Sam linebacker.
     
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  15. LI phinfan

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    If it took 7 weeks to make a change with the OL, what makes anyone think this coaching staff will sit Wheeler ? Wallace should be made an example of because of the lack of effort we saw in him. Not fighting for the ball and his half *** effort in blocking.Wheeler was a disaster mon. before he got that stupid penalty.In a perfect world I would sit both...The dolphins right now are far from being in a perfect place
     
  16. padre31

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    Not a chance, Wallace's production is suffering b/c Tannehill throws a craptacular deep pass, he is the anti Matt Moore, take away his largest asset and then fit him into a system of "one of three" and expect Pittsburgh production from him is silly.

    Oddly, it is a curious Dolfan trait that we acquire a big name Wr, then the fans instantly hate him, ala Brandon Marshall, they go elsewhere and have success and it's "why did we get rid of them!?!?!".

    As for Wheeler, more than anything it is the missed tackles, he is simply dreadful at tackling, this is why Jenkins or Jordan should replace him on most downs.
     
  17. padre31

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    Nah, the Staff won't do it of course, he has plenty of experience in coverage from his Oregon days, this Staff simply won't make that change, they never have changed out a starter for any period of time.

    Tyson Clabo for one game is the only change they made.
     
  18. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Was this something Wheeler was known for before?
     
  19. Rocky Raccoon

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    The run defense as a whole has been a huge disappointment. People want to blame everything on coaching, but when you can't run, stop the run or protect the QB, you going to struggle to win games. It's more about execution than anything else.
     
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  20. cuchulainn

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    My opinion on Wheeler is that if the guys on the DLine were doing their jobs Monday night, we aren't having this conversation about benching him. Soliai and Odrick flat out were handled in the Bucs game. They had as bad a game as I can remember. People are down on Wheeler over the missed tackles and the dumb penalty that allowed the Bucs to sustain their final drive. Really stupid play, but no worst impact than that provided by Thigpen, or the lack of effort from Wallace and Clay.

    Wheeler is fast and his strength is speed and pressuring the QB. The problem with him though is that he plays too fast and uncontrolled. He is often in place to make tackles, but because he is playing so fast he is over pursuing and can't control his momentum.
     
  21. ckparrothead

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    It isn't that the run defense is terrible. You might be surprised to know the Dolphins are allowing 3.9 yards per carry, which is even lower than a year ago (4.0). It's WHEN they're terrible, which is in the fourth quarter.

    The Bucs game was a perfect example. Miami had absolutely taken the momentum of the game away from Tampa, scored 19 unanswered points, and had rookie QB Mike Glennon on the ropes. He'd just thrown an interception to Jimmy Wilson and he was ready to pop like a zit.

    The Bucs coaches, sensing this, decided that they were going to settle him out by committing strong to the ground game and taking some pressure off him. So they did. They executed a 9-play, 80-yard touchdown drive which involved only ONE pass play. The rest was all running. Gain after gain after gain.

    Unfortunately that's happened a lot this season...teams running against us in the fourth quarter and at the most inopportune moments.

    The question is, can the Dolphins adjust to this? I think they can. The Dolphins rank 25th in the NFL in propensity to put their safeties in the box on run plays. Last year they ranked 15th. I'm not saying that the reduction of safeties in the box is the reason the run defense is failing. Rather the reduction emphasizes the point that the Dolphins could be doing a lot MORE to fix that leaky part of the defense, especially at points in the game which they seem to have trouble defending the run.

    Let's go back to the Bucs example. There were 8 run plays on the drive which means Reshad Jones and Chris Clemons had a chance to get in the box 16 times. They only did so 5 times, and 2 of those were on the final play of the drive which was 1st & Goal from the 1-yard line. Both players were obviously in the box on that play.

    But on the other 7 run plays we're talking about only 3 times when Clemons or Jones got up into the box pre-snap. That's really not league standard. League standard is much higher than that. And if the run defense is particularly leaky, the Dolphins should be looking to put an extra man in the box more often than league standard.

    What the Dolphins are often doing particularly on 1st down is starting off in a two-deep look. That doesn't mean they're in cover two though. One of the safeties starts creeping toward the line at the snap. He's usually not in the box (< 8 yards from the LOS) by the time the snap goes off. Sometimes he is.

    Because the player is moving toward the line of scrimmage at the snap and will be in the box shortly, I'm sure Kevin Coyle thinks of this as essentially being in the box, but with the benefit of potentially disguising the coverage. But in reality, pre-snap the player is just caught in bad angles because the spacing is not the same as if he were to have lined up in the box pre-snap. Also, the player now has to diagnose on the run with his eyes moving what he otherwise might have an opportunity to more calmly diagnose if he were already where he needed to be at the snap.

    I think the Dolphins need to pay heed to the fact that they keep letting up a lot of running in the fourth quarter and in certain situations. They need to change their defensive tendencies. They need to give the run defense some help.
     
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  22. padre31

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    Was known a a good blitzer and poor in pass coverage avg vs run.

    The amount of tackles he misses is simply amazing.
     
  23. DePhinistr8

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    Do you trust the coaching staff to make any of these adjustments? Or will they boil it down to "just play better".
     
  24. finfansince72

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    I honestly can't even watch our return game anymore with Thigpen back there, he is simply a loser that needs to go. I don't honestly care about his talent or that he can make plays here and there, he hurts this team, he needs to go. Jerry and Clabo should be cut the day the season ends, not only cut but barred from ever stepping foot in Miami again.
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    No.
     
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  26. finfansince72

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    When have they made any adjustments? They just let Tannehill get blasted, no roll outs no quick passes, max protect, running game, etc. They let teams run all over our defense with no adjustment. This coaching staff coaches scared. They also get routinely outcoached in the 2nd half which to me is a clear indication of a bad coaching staff. When the other coaches figure you out by the 3rd quarter and you make no adjustments you just aren't a quality NFL head coach. Every coach gets his head handed to him now and then but when it happens routinely you just are not very good.
     
  27. mroz

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    He is just a dumb player… you cant blame coaches for the way he runs the ball. You certainly cant blame coaches for him fair catching a ball at the 5 yard line.
     
  28. rdhstlr23

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    Phillip Wheeler's missed tackle against the Bills hurt. His bonehead penalty against the Bucs hurt. All in all, he's been really poor this year.

    I laugh every time I see quotes from other GM's or scouts saying things along the lines of "who pays Wheeler that kind of money?" It's just classic Ireland/Miami Dolphins.
     
  29. ckparrothead

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    The one thing that gives me hope is that with this style of defense and the amount of disguising they do pre-snap, it seems like something players have to really get a feel for. It seems like something that could be rough at first but then start to "click".
     

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