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That Illegal Shift call was correct.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Paul 13, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I've seen some posters saying we got lucky on that call. But it was the correct call. It was called on Reggie Wayne and it took away a big touchdown in the 3rd quarter, instead the Colts had to settle for a field goal. The call was illegal shift (not illegal motion). All 11 players must be set for at least one second prior to the snap of the ball. Wayne is late to the line of scrimmage initially and is never set for his one second. He then goes in motion prior to getting set for his one second and is still moving when the ball is snapped (after moving from the right of the formation to the left). The resulting penalty was the right call. I wonder if having Stephen Ross on the sidelines helped keep the refs honest... :shifty:
     
  2. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Great explanation of what happened, thanks.
     
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  3. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Head over to the Colts forums and tell them that. :lol:
     
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  4. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Tried...couldn't see through all the Luck splooge all over the place.
     
  5. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

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    I had heard that 1-second rule before. Wasnt sure if it had changed or not. Thanks for clarifying
     
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  6. NolePhin15

    NolePhin15 Well-Known Member

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    That place is hilarious. Luck=God over there and they just cant take it that he was beat today
     
  7. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Luck, Isray and the Colts are quickly becoming my least favorite team.
     
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  8. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I REALLY hope they play the Broncos in the playoffs, and get demolished.
     
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  9. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    You should ask them about the blatant pick play they ran to keep that drive at the end of the game alive. That was totally missed, and the ref was looking right at the area of the pick.
     
  10. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Ya it's so strange to me how they got that call right...but completely missed the rest of the game.
     
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  11. BlameItOnTheHenne

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  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    - The spot on the deep Wallace catch was wrong. His butt hit the line, and the ball was on his stomach. There'd be no way that wasn't a TD. EDIT<-----This one is proven wrong by Paul 13. It hurts to say that.
    - The spot on Tannehill's qb keeper was horrible as well.
    - That was not a fumble. That wasn't even close to a fumble.
     
  13. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I would but I doubt they'd listen to me.
     
  14. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    it would be priceless if the game were in Indy and Manning skull effed them.
     
  15. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=-

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    Well, all of that is well and good... except for the fact that everyone and their uncle knows that the refs always make calls for, and swallow their whistles for the Dolphins.
    :shifty:
     
  16. CaribPhin

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    If Tannehill took us to the playoffs, I'd worship him too.
     
  17. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    well... the first two I think they got right. Obviously the Wallace missed TD didn't mean anything in the end as we scored a TD shortly thereafter. Tannehill's knee was down before he stretched the ball out, although moving the ball back a full yard was obscene. That couldn't have been any more blatant except for the referee picking it up and running 20 yards downfield. (although i would have laughed my *** off anyway). Fouts' telestrater (do they still call it that?) showed where the ball should have been marked.

    Now the last one was weird. Was that a challenge by Indianapolis, or was that an auto review of a fumble? Because they said the ruling on the field was upheld/confirmed. I thought the ruling on the field was an incomplete pass. The CBS crew really missed that if that was the case. I think the rules have been changed recently to call Ryan's pass here a fumble, as he didn't have control of the ball when his hand was moving forward. In previous years that would have been called an incomplete pass. Anyway, hopefully this call will come in our favor down the road when we get a pressure on a qb who loses the ball prior to the hand moving forward. And these things balance out.
     
  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I know it didn't matter, but it was a TD. Watch where his butt hits. There is no possible way for his butt to hit the ground the ball to not break the plane.
     
  19. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    inconclusive according to the video. you can't see where the ball is when his butt hits the ground. So the referee, standing there, who hopefully saw what he thinks he saw was correct. Why are we arguing about this?
     
  20. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    If the ball is anywhere from the waist and up, it is a TD. Looking at the video, the ball is certainly not below his waist. it was just a blown call and Wallace's and Tannehil's stats would be even better.
     
  21. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    So then what is the distinction for jet sweep plays and the like?
     
  22. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I've never seen a football moved so far back from where it was shown to be spotted on the replay.
     
  23. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    ok mate, I went back and watched the replay... there is no way that's a TD. His butt doesn't land on the goal line, it lands on the 1 yard line. If Ryan wanted a TD, he should have lead Wallace more :tongue2:
     
  24. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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  25. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    The sweeper has to be set for 1 second before starting his run.
     
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  26. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    Got it. So in this case it means that Wayne never set himself at any point
     
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  27. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    correct, they broke huddle and he never froze anywhere on the field for at least a second.
     
  28. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Thanks. I had already deleted the game cause the dvr was full.

    My bad then. in realtime it looked like his butt hit right at the line when I watched.
     
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  29. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    hey, I was pissed it wasn't a TD as well... I had Wallace in one of my FFL's!
     
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  30. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    The refs weren't perfect but what refs are? The illegal shift call was correct, as much as Colts fans wanna ***** about it. HOWEVER we did get away with a hold on Griff Whalen late in the game, I believe Clemons was the culprit. There was also a borderline late hit by Reshad Jones too.
     
  31. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Was probably a hold on that one too.
     
  32. Springveldt

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    The play that won the game for us, Wake was mugged right in front of the ref with no flag. Just glad Wheeler got to Luck.
     
  33. ckparrothead

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    The call was correct but it still reflects poorly on Miami's ability to cover tight ends. Chris Clemons allowed a touchdown there that he should not have allowed.

    A week ago Reshad Jones lost Gary Barnidge in the end zone for a touchdown which was called back on an unrelated penalty. That ended up being a harbinger of the touchdown Coby Fleener scored against Reshad Jones this week.

    Miami played a good game and had a good win, but I hope they aren't dismissive of a mistake simply because the referees called the play back on a ticky-tack illegal shift penalty.

    If we're really bringing up officiating then I think the two-play stretch needs to be brought up where Reshad Jones clearly used excessive force against a player out of bounds, followed by pass interference on Coby Fleener in the end zone (I believe it was Jimmy Wilson, not sure though). It did not have an effect on the outcome of the game, though.

    The officiating was very average.
     
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  34. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    The Jones hit on Donald Jones in the first quarter? I don't know about that. To me it looked like Donald Jones stiff arms Reshad first. And then Reshad continues his contact from inside the field of play to outside the field of play. I would call that continuing action. Sure... I've seen less called a late hit. But to me, he didn't break contact and then hit the runner out of bounds... or elevate his physical hit to another level. Sure he went to the ground afterwards, but that's just two guys playing football.
     
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  35. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Hopefullly, a topic for another thread :wink2:
     
  36. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    That's why I said borderline.
     
  37. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    :console:
     
  38. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    The refs called 3 penalties all game. Isn't that what fans usually want?
     
  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Then why are you allowed one man in motion parallel to the LOS at the snap?
     
  40. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That man must be set for one second no matter what, on the LOS, whether he does it at the beginning of the pre-snap (right after the huddle break) or a second before the actual snap itself.

    Am I understanding this correctly?
     
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