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Jonathan Martin sucks.....that is, according to PFF

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by LBsFinest, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    out of 80 offensive tackles, he finished the year ranking 70th in run blocking, 75th in pass protection, and 76th overall. he has given up the most amount of hurries of any tackle in the entire league. in the 5 games he started at LT, he didn't have 1 game with a positive grade in pass blocking.

    is this really the guy you guys want protecting Tannehill's BLINDSIDE?


    for comparison, Colombo last year:

    pass pro: 70th of 76 OT's.
    run blocking: 67th
    overall: 67th out of 76

    Ireland really is amazing...he drafted the one tackle that actually WOULDN'T be an upgrade over Colombo lol.
     
  2. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    A rookie tackle playing poorly and improving is very far from rare.
     
  3. Perfectville_USA

    Perfectville_USA Mr Perfect

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    Martin just a kid still and going to end up being a very good 0-lineman. He needs to get stronger, but has quick feet and long arms. Also very smart player out of Stanford. [very coachable] Get him in the weight room and lock the door behind him. He will end up being fine and a great building block to our line with Pouncey.
     
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  4. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    He definitely sucked this year. I don't think there is any way around that. Hopefully he improves significantly this offseason.
     
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  5. LBsFinest

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    obviously, but taking an offensive lineman with your 2nd pick and having him perform at this level is nothing short of extremely disappointing.
     
  6. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    "Poorly" is being generous. We're talking 67 out of 76!!!!!!!!!!! Remember last year when Football Outsiders named Daniel Thomas one of the worst RBs in the league. You know, they actually used stats to back up their conclusion and fools actually defended Daniel Thomas??? Jonathan Martin very well may turn out to be an excellent T in the NFL. But these stats are pretty damning.
     
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  7. Perfectville_USA

    Perfectville_USA Mr Perfect

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    Martin going to be just fine, the kid got all the tools and work ethic to be a very good player in the NFL.
     
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  8. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The "obviously" and what you followed it with are contradictory.
     
  9. LBsFinest

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    yea, you said that already.
     
  10. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, there you go! Problem solved!
     
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  11. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Bull****.

    That simple, watched every game, Martin was far superior to Long or Colombo

    PFF has jumped the shark, or to put it better, do believe what you see or what they tell you?
     
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  12. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Any player taken in any round that doesnt play well is disappointing. Judging the long term value (which I am not sure you are doing) of a draft pick after one season is moronic. I mean really how many people on this group were disappointed with Soliai?
     
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  13. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    I thought he was mediocre, but as bad as Colombo? Damn.
     
  14. LBsFinest

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    lol what? how? i agree he'll probably get better, considering he was a rookie and the fact that he can't possibly get any worse. but he will have to improve SIGNIFICANTLY just to be a suitable left tackle, i don't know if he has it in him to improve by that much.

    a lot of people are content with letting Long walk and just plugging Martin in on the left side but that is a HUGE gamble to me, i don't think i want this kid protecting Tannehill's blindside.
     
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  15. GARDENHEAD

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    You remind me of Karl Rove on election night! Who cares about data?

    Yes, I believe PFF because they actually break down every play and watch the specific player when doing their grading. I can't watch everything in the bar I'm at.
     
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  16. ToddPhin

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    So how does he rate compared to all the other rookie tackles? That's obviously more appropriate than trying to make him look bad by comparing him to more experienced players.
     
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  17. padre31

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    I don't, put it this way, you watched Colombo and Long, you tell me?
     
  18. Perfectville_USA

    Perfectville_USA Mr Perfect

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    LBsFinest: can you post the full article, love to see how Jake Long and other's ranked also.
     
  19. smhemi

    smhemi Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think your getting confused with Doug Martin,because Jon Martin was a really bad tackle this year.Id take Jake Long any day off the week over him.
     
  20. padre31

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    Exactly, he did not do great at LT vs NE, and at RT to begin the yr he wasn't stellar.

    However he did come around during the season, this is why I'm not buying what PFF is selling, not after watching every single snap of every game.

    Colombo was just dreadful, as in Peppers just destroyed him, that never happened to Martin.
     
  21. GARDENHEAD

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    According to my eyeballs, he was better than 2011 Colombo, but I thought the 2012 Jake Long was better.
     
  22. padre31

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    Your choice.

    For me, Long looked bad, lacked confidence, immobile, not the same player I'd watched 08-10
     
  23. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I believe it was worth repeating. Martin showed some signs of being a good LT after he took over for Long. I thought he actually played well until the Pats game. Does he have things to work on? Yes, he does.. however, what Martin lacks is not physical skills what he lacks can be gained through working out and getting stronger. If he doesnt hit the weight room he will be what he is, not very good. He does, he is going to be a very good LT
     
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  24. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Long this year? I dont think there was a bit of difference between the two
     
  25. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Yeah, because we are going to take a snap shot of a rookies first 4 or 5 games and pretend that is how he played all year.
     
  26. NJFINSFAN1

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    Got to love the PFF stat followers.

    Martin showed signs of getting better, in fact he looked better than Long did at LT this year.

    I was against signing Long after the past year and a half he had, but after watching Gardner at RT, we need to sign Long and keep Martin at RT for now.
     
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  27. LBsFinest

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    there's no article. here's the rest of the OL...

    Jake Long-

    pass pro: 35th
    run blocking: 48th
    overall: 46th


    Pouncey-

    pass pro: 3rd
    run blocking: 10th
    overall: 8th


    Incognito-

    pass pro: 16th
    run blocking: 25th
    overall: 24th


    John Jerry-

    pass pro: 25th
    run blocking: 77th
    overall: 49th


    Garner actually got positive grades at RT in 3 of the 5 games he started (at home Pats, 49ers, Bills). and in the other 2 games, he was solid in pass pro against the Jags but struggled blocking our RBs. and we all remember how bad he was in pass pro in his last game in new england, and the numbers reflect that.
     
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  28. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    I dont know that Martin is a RT. He played much better at LT, just seems like a more natural position to him
     
  29. VanDolPhan

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    And if I were to believe PFF Fasano was a top 5 TE for a few years there. PFF are human folks. You put Boomer, CK and gang in there I'd bet you'd get wildly different ratings from each person.
     
  30. PhinsRDbest

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    Well, at-least it will be easy for him to improve.
     
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  31. padre31

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    Learned a long time ago, believe what you see first and foremost, then supplement it with what dovetails with what you actually, you know, watched.

    To many of the "expert" types when it comes to the NFL are BS salesmen.

    Martin looked light in the bucket, and he struggled out of his stance at times at RT. But his punch and footwork were there and he had a nice hustle to keep blocking when the play broke down.

    He plays "tall" sometimes, and when he tries to anchor he is light, but otherwise he is fine, no one blew by him they way Jake was getting roasted.
     
  32. Bpk

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    Bottom of the leauge thoguh?

    And btw, rookies playing WELL is not unheard of either. It's not like Martin was a 6th round pick.
     
  33. oakelmpine

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    Here they come "The Apologisers" ! It's like they are this super-hero group that swoops in whenever anything disparaging about Ireland is spoken, sort of like a "Think Police".
     
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  34. Bpk

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    All the tools but strength and an explosive kickslide.
     
  35. padre31

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    There is some of that, always, this is a forum

    However I objectively disagree with PFF's ranking for Martin, could care less about Ireland. I spent 4 months watching him play and I believe they are wrong.
     
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  36. Bpk

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    I honestly only get to see about 30-50% of what Martin's actually doing, thanks to TV angles. And I am TRYING to watch the guy!

    So if PFF is watching cler shots of him on every snap, i'll take their opinion as worthy of note.
     
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  37. Bpk

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    Concussions..... zero TDs..... it's all working out fine.
     
  38. Jaj

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    He looked mediocre from what I saw. He reminded me of a lesser Pouncey in his first year. I could see him becoming a top 14 LT next year without too much difficulty from gaining weight/strength. He's fine on the left side. Garner wasn't and is a backup. The guard spots were mediocre. I would keep one of the two guys there as they're both RGs through and through that can road grade but really poor in pass blocking.

    This argument reminds me of the ridiculous scouts versus numbers arguments.

    Use both geniuses!
     
  39. RevRick

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    Oh, the abject IRONY of YOU writing anything about someone being repetitious.
     
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  40. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Was the concussion ever confirmed by Miami? Or was are you taking the word of the announcers?
     

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