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    Default Jonathan Martin sucks.....that is, according to PFF

    out of 80 offensive tackles, he finished the year ranking 70th in run blocking, 75th in pass protection, and 76th overall. he has given up the most amount of hurries of any tackle in the entire league. in the 5 games he started at LT, he didn't have 1 game with a positive grade in pass blocking.

    is this really the guy you guys want protecting Tannehill's BLINDSIDE?


    for comparison, Colombo last year:

    pass pro: 70th of 76 OT's.
    run blocking: 67th
    overall: 67th out of 76

    Ireland really is amazing...he drafted the one tackle that actually WOULDN'T be an upgrade over Colombo lol.
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    A rookie tackle playing poorly and improving is very far from rare.

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    Martin just a kid still and going to end up being a very good 0-lineman. He needs to get stronger, but has quick feet and long arms. Also very smart player out of Stanford. [very coachable] Get him in the weight room and lock the door behind him. He will end up being fine and a great building block to our line with Pouncey.

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    He definitely sucked this year. I don't think there is any way around that. Hopefully he improves significantly this offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disgustipate View Post
    A rookie tackle playing poorly and improving is very far from rare.
    obviously, but taking an offensive lineman with your 2nd pick and having him perform at this level is nothing short of extremely disappointing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disgustipate View Post
    A rookie tackle playing poorly and improving is very far from rare.
    "Poorly" is being generous. We're talking 67 out of 76!!!!!!!!!!! Remember last year when Football Outsiders named Daniel Thomas one of the worst RBs in the league. You know, they actually used stats to back up their conclusion and fools actually defended Daniel Thomas??? Jonathan Martin very well may turn out to be an excellent T in the NFL. But these stats are pretty damning.

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    Martin going to be just fine, the kid got all the tools and work ethic to be a very good player in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBsFinest View Post
    obviously, but taking an offensive lineman with your 2nd pick and having him perform at this level is nothing short of extremely disappointing.
    The "obviously" and what you followed it with are contradictory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfectville_USA View Post
    Martin going to be just fine, the kid got all the tools and work ethic to be a very good player in the NFL.
    yea, you said that already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfectville_USA View Post
    Martin going to be just fine, the kid got all the tools and work ethic to be a very good player in the NFL.
    Well, there you go! Problem solved!

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    Bull****.

    That simple, watched every game, Martin was far superior to Long or Colombo

    PFF has jumped the shark, or to put it better, do believe what you see or what they tell you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBsFinest View Post
    obviously, but taking an offensive lineman with your 2nd pick and having him perform at this level is nothing short of extremely disappointing.
    Any player taken in any round that doesnt play well is disappointing. Judging the long term value (which I am not sure you are doing) of a draft pick after one season is moronic. I mean really how many people on this group were disappointed with Soliai?

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    Quote Originally Posted by padre31 View Post
    Bull****.

    That simple, watched every game, Martin was far superior to Long or Colombo

    PFF has jumped the shark, or to put it better, do believe what you see or what they tell you?
    I thought he was mediocre, but as bad as Colombo? Damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disgustipate View Post
    The "obviously" and what you followed it with are contradictory.
    lol what? how? i agree he'll probably get better, considering he was a rookie and the fact that he can't possibly get any worse. but he will have to improve SIGNIFICANTLY just to be a suitable left tackle, i don't know if he has it in him to improve by that much.

    a lot of people are content with letting Long walk and just plugging Martin in on the left side but that is a HUGE gamble to me, i don't think i want this kid protecting Tannehill's blindside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by padre31 View Post
    Bull****.

    That simple, watched every game, Martin was far superior to Long or Colombo

    PFF has jumped the shark, or to put it better, do believe what you see or what they tell you?
    You remind me of Karl Rove on election night! Who cares about data?

    Yes, I believe PFF because they actually break down every play and watch the specific player when doing their grading. I can't watch everything in the bar I'm at.

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    So how does he rate compared to all the other rookie tackles? That's obviously more appropriate than trying to make him look bad by comparing him to more experienced players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GARDENHEAD View Post
    You remind me of Karl Rove on election night! Who cares about data?

    Yes, I believe PFF because they actually break down every play and watch the specific player when doing their grading. I can't watch everything in the bar I'm at.
    I don't, put it this way, you watched Colombo and Long, you tell me?

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    LBsFinest: can you post the full article, love to see how Jake Long and other's ranked also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by padre31 View Post
    Bull****.

    That simple, watched every game, Martin was far superior to Long or Colombo

    PFF has jumped the shark, or to put it better, do believe what you see or what they tell you?
    I think your getting confused with Doug Martin,because Jon Martin was a really bad tackle this year.Id take Jake Long any day off the week over him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serpico Jones View Post
    I thought he was mediocre, but as bad as Colombo? Damn.
    Exactly, he did not do great at LT vs NE, and at RT to begin the yr he wasn't stellar.

    However he did come around during the season, this is why I'm not buying what PFF is selling, not after watching every single snap of every game.

    Colombo was just dreadful, as in Peppers just destroyed him, that never happened to Martin.

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