Jonathan Martin

Not ready to bury him yet. He's a rookie and I kind of expect some growing pains. Hopefully he looks better next week.

 

I think you have to ask yourself at this point whether there was enough accurate evaluation done of whether Martin would be able to make the move from left side to right side, before he was drafted.

 

I think that at some point he lost lucidity, he seemed confused, probably flustered for his many mistakes, because I can't believe he is that bad (losing his man on stunt, falling on his ***, overpowered, false start) and I don't think all of his problem can be related to the swicht left-right [but maybe I'm wrong]

 

We should have used that pick on a WR.

 

I think it was a combination of those things. He was clearly overmatched going without help against Johnson. After that it looked like he was flustered mentally.

 

Regular season you have to figure they give him some help if a game starts like that. Only reason that they wouldn't, that I can think of, is that they wanted to see were he was at and how he'd respond.

 

Keep in mind folks the old school "Left Tackle is soo important b/c they face the other team's best pass rusher" stuff now is nonsense, JMart was going up against a all pro caliber De and got his azz whipped but good..

I am getting a bit concerned about his play though, back to back games he clearly has struggled in to the point we maybe should look at other options at RT or our Qb will get killed, what peeved about last yr is Sparano's refusal to pull Colombo I hope Philbin is not making the same error.

 

possibly bench him to get the point across?

 

I don't really know what the long term prognosis for Martin is, but they need to alter the situation because he's having too much of a disruptive effect on the rest of the offense, and he's getting 75%+ of the snaps at the position so whomever would replace him really needs reps.

 

the problem is the Murtha didn't exactly shine during his play-time

 

You cannot look at Martin's struggles and say that it's only preseason.

The guy is getting clobbered out there against whoever he lines up against. It's holding the entire offense back as most have stated.. And to believe that in 2.5 weeks time he'll have cleaned most of it up is unrealistic.

I think it's time to get Murtha, Jerry, or Garner 1st team snaps and let Martin develop in practice with the 2s and 3s.

Who would've ever thought: Tannehill, the guy most thought would need time, looks more ready than Martin, the guy most thought would come in and be an immediate upgrade.

 

How does that lessen a LT's importance? Ryan was able to see martins guy come basically free and get rid of the ball several times. Blindside and those are sacks with a good chance of a fumble. Thats why you want your best pass rusher to come on that side. Jake being able to take his guy solo also lets you give martin help.

Sent from my SGH-T959V using Tapatalk 2

 

He looks like a freshman inserted into practice with the varsity. He's not ready.

 

Depends, we really do not know what the line calls were etc, but at this point it is becoming clear he is not ready to play.

Ireland cannot draft an OL to save his life, he either overpays for them, ie, Jake and Pouncey, or they suck.

 

Give JJ a try at RT. He did a decent enough job at LT last season in place of Long.
Just spit ballin.

 

Can you imagine if this guy is our starting RT when we face JJ Watt and a Wade Phillips defense!!!????

Ugliness, pure ugliness.

 

Mario Williams....

 

I think Mark Anderson will line up on JM not Mario, dont know for sure wich side they lineup on or even if they are stationary. Either way Charles Johnson is good and all but he will face tougher schemes and players so he needs to get better or GTFO.

 

IIRC, Mario lines up over the RT. Wasn't he the one that caused the INT by getting to Henne's arm after schooling Colombo last year?

But you're right. Either he gets better, or he may not make it past 2013 training camp.

 

That was in Houston, he is now in Buffalo under you know who.

 

Have they indicated they were moving him over? Hes lined up over RT his entire career beyond high school. I doubt they change that.

 

In Wades 3-4 he was lined up on the LT...but i really have no knowledge of Wanny's plans for him. Could be he is moved around to exploit bad matchups, if do je will face Martin and another guy.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...liams-to-left-defensive-end-is-a-huge-mistake

It appears he has requested the move BACK to LDE.....bad news for us because he will need to be double teamed very regularly.

 

Christ, this means Fasano is going to be used to help out the RT 90% of the time again.
And Fasano is arguably our best pass catcher.

 

No he isn't.

 

Actually, yes. he is one of the best, if not "the" and with the pathetic lineup we currently have he is one of our only weapons/threats. It's why he said arguably.

 

I agree with that. He had the balance and body control last night of a drunk guy with Vertigo. I know he's better than that.
His head is spinning about now. He was basically handed a starting job, gift wrapped on a silver platter, and it is apparent IMO that he is not ready. Time to relegate him to backup status for a while, until the game slows down enough for him that he doesn't move like a one legged cat trying to bury sh*t on a frozen pond.

 

You're right. Fasano is on a par with Bess and Bush for being our best receiving threat at their respective positions.

 

Johnson hasn't even been to a Pro Bowl yet has he? So, is he really even All Pro caliber or just pretty good? Last year when we played them, Colombo didn't get abused close to that badly by Johnson.

 

That's a pretty accurate analogy right there.

 

Baby J got in the doghouse right off the bat by showing up so overweight, but when he's been in the games, he hasn't done that bad. I agree, even he'd be a better choice right now. Murtha, Garner, Cook, or move Hicks outside, would all be better than what Martin is showing us now.
I'd say even moving Pouncey to RT and starting Samuda at C would be an improvement.

 

Do people now understand why we drafted a RT in the 2nd round rather than a WR?

 

I thought he did 2 yrs ago?

Way I see it, JMart should compete for the job this week with Murtha/JJ/Garner

That probably won't happen, suspect they will bite the bullet and keep him out there, once again this is a choice they are making that will mean less wins early in the yr imo.

 

Right position but wrong player? I've heard the Ohio St kid is struggling a bit in Pittsburgh too, so what other option at RT did we pass up on when we took Martin? At the time, I was glad the Bills took Cordy Glenn and left Martin for us, but I'll sadly admit that may have been misplaced optimism.

 

Being a high draft pick, I think there is only one answer to this Martin situation....




...we try him out at safety.

 

First of all, I want to thank you for using a Eyeshield 21 reference as a username. True story.

Second all, we'll see. I didn't see the last pre-season game. Was he that bad then?

 

1) after trading away Marshall and replacing him with wack *** Naanee, WR was just as big if not a bigger need than RT.

2) Jonathan Martin is not a right tackle.

3) here's the difference between these two needs. there is at least one guy on the roster who can step in at RT and hold down the spot. remember Murtha was hurt all of last season which is why we had to bring in Columbo to begin with. on the flip side, there is no WR on this team that can provide what we need. none of these guys are going to magically flourish into the type of playmaker Tannehill needs.

4) going into the draft, our group of OL were not as bad as our group of WRs.

 

I heart you.

 

Martin SUCKS....no no he SUCKS!

Put in John Jerry until he gets his sh*t together so he doesnt embarrass himself anymore.