Tannehill vs SMU

**dsteve** · 05-02-2012, 12:58 PM

Alot of time before training camp/preseason. How bout we have a weekly/biweekly thread dedicated to breaking down tannehill or any of our new rookies plays in college? Heres Tanny VS SMU. Pick one play that makes you love him and pick one play that makes you wonder.

My good play,around the 2:25 mark. Looks to his first look, slant and go to the outside, comes off that. checks another WR, anticipates the break down in the pocket and rolls out while keeping his eyes down field, pulls the saftey with his eyes and throws a 20-30 yard strike on the run for a touchdown.

Bad play at about 3:48, it's play action with a waggle to his open hand. He hits his WR for 10-15 yards but the seam/streak route was basically uncovered and he missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNcKHOJP-NQ

**finsincebirth** · 05-02-2012, 01:26 PM

At 3:40 he has a back in the flat and a wr coming out on the left side being trailed by a linebacker. Looks like Ryan gives a small pump fake to the back to to draw the linebacker in and free up the wide receiver for a decent gain.

**dsteve** · 05-02-2012, 01:33 PM

I know it's hard but find a bad play too!

**Dol-Fan Dupree** · 05-02-2012, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by dsteve

I know it's hard but find a bad play too!

Watch the Iowa State game. He doesn't look as good in that game, IMO.

**dsteve** · 05-02-2012, 01:38 PM

Maybe i'll do that one next. I was thinking the oka state game from last year.

**finsincebirth** · 05-02-2012, 01:50 PM

I just watched the OK state game. Between SMU and OK State, I have noticed he REALLY doesn't throw a good deep ball.

**DearbornDolfan** · 05-02-2012, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by finsincebirth

I just watched the OK state game. Between SMU and OK State, I have noticed he REALLY doesn't throw a good deep ball.

You know, that makes me wonder if it isn't a confidence issue. It's not like he doesn't have an arm, there aren't too many QBs who can throw a far side 18-yard out with accuracy and zip. Without looking at any of his deep throws, I'm willing to bet he's trying to heave the ball from a normal throwing stance rather than arching his back and letting it snap; that's exactly the sort of thing guys who aren't confident in their arm strength do.

**dsteve** · 05-02-2012, 04:37 PM

i i attribute the deep ball stuff to having horrible WRS. a couple deep balls to fuller and he had no seperation. a couple others he just didnt make a good play on the ball.

**djphinfan** · 05-02-2012, 04:42 PM

What I like about him is the first two plays, the ability on the run to keep vision on the target, keep the head steady while escaping danger, and then deliver the pass with good fundamentals from the waist down, I also love the seam route for 6 at 3:42 I believe to the tight end, he sees it, and puts the right amount of loft on the ball..

What I don't like is, he seems to have an issue identifying when his receiver is in danger and throwing it anyway, is bothers me tremendously, and Iam pretty sure it will result in multiple pick 6's, he's got to develope a better sense of awareness of the coverage, he looks great when the play goes according to plan, but when it doesn't, he's got to sense that and improvise, especially on the rocket screens.

Also at this point and time, his deep ball is not good, and to me, it's because he's not seeing it, he's just chucking it..I believe with him it's gonna be all about his inner tempo that he plays with, he's got to trust, relax, see the receiver deep, and use his talent to drive the ball off his fingertips to that target..not just a spot.

This may sound weird, but the way the ball comes off the fingertips can show true accuracy, when watching the greats if you look close, the ball can change flight plan at that last second, this is pinpoint accuracy, and Tom Brady is the best I've seen with it..

**Dol-Fan Dupree** · 05-02-2012, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by dsteve

i i attribute the deep ball stuff to having horrible WRS. a couple deep balls to fuller and he had no seperation. a couple others he just didnt make a good play on the ball.

I think that does have something to do with it, however I also think he tends to underthrow a lot of his deep balls. At least the ones I have seen. I think he has the arm strength for them though.

**djphinfan** · 05-02-2012, 05:03 PM

One thing that gives me hope is that this kid demonstrated some high level play of the Qb position after transitioning from a completely different position, where he excelled..The things I criticize him for can hopefully be chalked up to just plain ole lack of exp..but to make that transition, and perform as a Qb, is quite unprecedented.

**Fin D** · 05-02-2012, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by djphinfan

One thing that give me hope is that this kid demonstrated some high level play of the Qb position after transitioning from a completely different position, where he excelled..The things I criticize him for can hopefully be chalked up to just plain ole lack of exp..but to make that transition, and perform as a Qb, is quite unprecedented.

That's the thing for me, the transition.

Every bust at QB, busts because they cannot make the transition. That to me proves "years at a position" don't mean squat. It seems the best chance of predicting if a guy will make it or not is what can these guys do in a pro offense. Tanny can basically do it all. The unprecedented thing is that he also shows he can make a drastic transition...and succeed.

When factor those things with him not having to struggle to learn the offense, I cannot imagine there have been very many rookie QBs that have a better shot of making it than Tanny.

**Dol-Fan Dupree** · 05-02-2012, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Finascious D

That's the thing for me, the transition.

Every bust at QB, busts because they cannot make the transition. That to me proves "years at a position" don't mean squat. It seems the best chance of predicting if a guy will make it or not is what can these guys do in a pro offense. Tanny can basically do it all. The unprecedented thing is that he also shows he can make a drastic transition...and succeed.

When factor those things with him not having to struggle to learn the offense, I cannot imagine there have been very many rookie QBs that have a better shot of making it than Tanny.

If you go by what everyone says about him and what comes out of his mouth he has the drive to succeed. Still remains to be seen how true this is when he is in the NFL, however since he was working hard to work on his footwork to the left shows he is willing to work.

**dsteve** · 05-02-2012, 10:38 PM

I dunno, I see deep balls to blanketed WRs that should make a play on the ball. if anything he shouldnt have made the the throw. There was one, I cant remember if it's in the game or not but he throws a deep post over the middle and fuller could have made a way better play on the ball.

**Dol-Fan Dupree** · 05-02-2012, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by dsteve

I dunno, I see deep balls to blanketed WRs that should make a play on the ball. if anything he shouldnt have made the the throw. There was one, I cant remember if it's in the game or not but he throws a deep post over the middle and fuller could have made a way better play on the ball.

I have seen too many long passes to players who the ball is under thrown by a decent amount. Well about 3 or 4. I haven't seen too many deep balls that show it is a strength of his at this time.

Disclaimer of course is that the best deep ball I have ever seen is from Jamarcus Russell. So good deep ball isn't the be all and end all to being a good qb.

**dsteve** · 05-02-2012, 11:07 PM

i just got done watcing the iowa state game....tons of drops. he missed what would have been six points on a busted coverage through the seam. fuller dropped a long TD but it should have been PI. A couple over throws on deep balls.

the story of the game though was the **** ton of drops but his horrible WRs.

**djphinfan** · 05-02-2012, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dol-Fan Dupree

I have seen too many long passes to players who the ball is under thrown by a decent amount. Well about 3 or 4. I haven't seen too many deep balls that show it is a strength of his at this time.

Disclaimer of course is that the best deep ball I have ever seen is from Jamarcus Russell. So good deep ball isn't the be all and end all to being a good qb.

No but you want him to be able to see the deep ball, see the receiver, usually when they don't see it it's because their not comfortable waiting for it to develope, they rush the throw and throw to a spot....In that quick strike offense, and his lack of exp, he probably just hasn't got a lot of reps on that deep ball..It will be something to keep our eye on..

**Dol-Fan Dupree** · 05-02-2012, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by djphinfan

No but you want him to be able to see the deep ball, see the receiver, usually when they don't see it it's because their not comfortable waiting for it to develope, they rush the throw and throw to a spot....In that quick strike offense, and his lack of exp, he probably just hasn't got a lot of reps on that deep ball..It will be something to keep our eye on..

I am open to that. I am happy he got the deep out and comeback timing route down. I think that is much more difficult to learn than the deep pass

**2socks** · 05-03-2012, 01:21 AM

good to very good accuracy.

Seems to already have decided where he is going with the ball before the ball is snapped.

Not reading the defense

too many quick throw designed plays makes me wonder. Is this just scheme or hiding the fact that he can't read a defense.

We will see

**Dol-Fan Dupree** · 05-03-2012, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by 2socks

good to very good accuracy.

Seems to already have decided where he is going with the ball before the ball is snapped.

Not reading the defense

too many quick throw designed plays makes me wonder. Is this just scheme or hiding the fact that he can't read a defense.

We will see

A lot of the times making quick throws is reading the defense. They call it a "pre-snap" read.