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    Default No doubt Dolphins going after Ryan Tannehill

    I'm not saying this is what the Dolphins will do in the 1st round, but is an interesting video from yahoo sports.
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    Part of me hopes they are wrong. I trust Coles propensity to talk out of his arse.

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    it is what it is
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    Well, if Cole says they're definitely getting him... then they probably aren't. Unfortunately.
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    I think drafting Tannehill with the eight pick in the draft or possibly even trading up to draft Tannehill will prove to be one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the Dolphins organization. Tannehill is a decent athlete and he seems to be a nice guy. I just don't see him coming into the NFL and becoming anything but a journeyman QB who will end up playing for 3-4 teams in his career and spend most of this time as a backup QB.

    My opinion is that if Ireland, Philbin, and Sherman are willing to risk their jobs on Tannehill, they should all be prepared to look for new jobs in a few years. If Barkley and Jones had decided to enter the NFL draft instead of returning to college this year, I doubt if Tannehill would have even being though of as a first round or even early second round selection. He only moved up in the draft because QB's who are better than he is decided to stay in college for one more year.

    I will be happy if the Dolphins draft a top offensive or defensive lineman, LB, WR, or safety with their first pick in the draft. I will not be happy if the selection is Tannehill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jw3102 View Post
    I think drafting Tannehill with the eight pick in the draft or possibly even trading up to draft Tannehill will prove to be one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the Dolphins organization. Tannehill is a decent athlete and he seems to be a nice guy. I just don't see him coming into the NFL and becoming anything but a journeyman QB who will end up playing for 3-4 teams in his career and spend most of this time as a backup QB.

    My opinion is that if Ireland, Philbin, and Sherman are willing to risk their jobs on Tannehill, they should all be prepared to look for new jobs in a few years. If Barkley and Jones had decided to enter the NFL draft instead of returning to college this year, I doubt if Tannehill would have even being though of as a first round or even early second round selection. He only moved up in the draft because QB's who are better than he is decided to stay in college for one more year.

    I will be happy if the Dolphins draft a top offensive or defensive lineman, LB, WR, or safety with their first pick in the draft. I will not be happy if the selection is Tannehill.
    The upside is that by whiffing on Tannehill, it gives us a better shot to sink to the depths to find our pearl in upcoming drafts...

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    The part I found interesting was where he said the Dolphins have been on Tannehill since October and that the Sherman/Tannehill connection was a part of the Philbin decision. I had heard that the Dolphins were high on Tannehill back in October as well. That's why I don't buy the characterization that Tannehill has risen up the boards. I believe the Dolphins had him as a first round consideration months ago. My guess is that they had Luck and Barkley close at the top, followed by RG3 and Tannehill close as the next tier behind them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandarilla View Post
    The upside is that by whiffing on Tannehill, it gives us a better shot to sink to the depths to find our pearl in upcoming drafts...
    This. There is almost no downside to drafting him. If he sucks, the amount of money invested in him is miniscule, we'll be really bad (likely) and we'll be really high in the draft and be able to snag a truly elite QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandarilla View Post
    The upside is that by whiffing on Tannehill, it gives us a better shot to sink to the depths to find our pearl in upcoming drafts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jw3102 View Post
    I think drafting Tannehill with the eight pick in the draft or possibly even trading up to draft Tannehill will prove to be one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the Dolphins organization. Tannehill is a decent athlete and he seems to be a nice guy. I just don't see him coming into the NFL and becoming anything but a journeyman QB who will end up playing for 3-4 teams in his career and spend most of this time as a backup QB.

    My opinion is that if Ireland, Philbin, and Sherman are willing to risk their jobs on Tannehill, they should all be prepared to look for new jobs in a few years. If Barkley and Jones had decided to enter the NFL draft instead of returning to college this year, I doubt if Tannehill would have even being though of as a first round or even early second round selection. He only moved up in the draft because QB's who are better than he is decided to stay in college for one more year.

    I will be happy if the Dolphins draft a top offensive or defensive lineman, LB, WR, or safety with their first pick in the draft. I will not be happy if the selection is Tannehill.
    Why? What specifically in his game do you not like. How much of him have you watched, and is there specific instances where you can point to issues that make you feel he isn't going to be good? I've heard a lot of people make comments like this, but I haven't heard anyone really break his game down and point out flaws that lead you to believe he's not going to be a good player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports24/7 View Post
    Why? What specifically in his game do you not like. How much of him have you watched, and is there specific instances where you can point to issues that make you feel he isn't going to be good? I've heard a lot of people make comments like this, but I haven't heard anyone really break his game down and point out flaws that lead you to believe he's not going to be a good player.
    I watched him play three complete games last season. I saw him stare down his primary receiver and he didn't seem capable of scanning the field while in the pocket. I also didn't think that he looked very impressive on the few deep throws he attempted in these games. Texas A&M basically played only three teams with decent defenses last season and Tannehill threw three interceptions in each of these games.

    What concerns me the most is that his team wasn't very successful with Tannehill as the starting QB. The history of high first round QB picks is that they came from teams in college which had a great deal of success with this QB running the team. A&M was a mediocre team in their conference and it doesn't appear to me that Tannehill has that ability to take his team to that next level.

    Of course I don't claim to be an expert and I do realize that many of the so called experts are high on Tannehill. That still doesn't change my view of him based on the games I watched him play and especially in the games he played against the better defenses in his conference. My view is that if Tannehill had played in a conference like the SEC, where they have a lot of superior defenses, he would not have been rated better than a third or fourth round selection.

    The Big 12 conference was basically weak from a defensive perspective and I feel that these weak defenses are the main reason this conference had so many QB's who put up such outstanding passing statistics in 2011. The reality is that Tannehill was only the sixth rated QB statistically in the conference in 2011 and I just don't see how this somehow translates into him being a top ten pick in the NFL draft.

    I can only go on what I observed in the three games I saw him play last season and I just didn't come away impressed by his overall play in any of these games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jw3102 View Post
    I watched him play three complete games last season. I saw him stare down his primary receiver and he didn't seem capable of scanning the field while in the pocket. I also didn't think that he looked very impressive on the few deep throws he attempted in these games. Texas A&M basically played only three teams with decent defenses last season and Tannehill threw three interceptions in each of these games.

    What concerns me the most is that his team wasn't very successful with Tannehill as the starting QB. The history of high first round QB picks is that they came from teams in college which had a great deal of success with this QB running the team. A&M was a mediocre team in their conference and it doesn't appear to me that Tannehill has that ability to take his team to that next level.

    Of course I don't claim to be an expert and I do realize that many of the so called experts are high on Tannehill. That still doesn't change my view of him based on the games I watched him play and especially in the games he played against the better defenses in his conference. My view is that if Tannehill had played in a conference like the SEC, where they have a lot of superior defenses, he would not have been rated better than a third or fourth round selection.

    The Big 12 conference was basically weak from a defensive perspective and I feel that these weak defenses are the main reason this conference had so many QB's who put up such outstanding passing statistics in 2011. The reality is that Tannehill was only the sixth rated QB statistically in the conference in 2011 and I just don't see how this somehow translates into him being a top ten pick in the NFL draft.

    I can only go on what I observed in the three games I saw him play last season and I just didn't come away impressed by his overall play in any of these games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jw3102 View Post
    I watched him play three complete games last season. I saw him stare down his primary receiver and he didn't seem capable of scanning the field while in the pocket. I also didn't think that he looked very impressive on the few deep throws he attempted in these games. Texas A&M basically played only three teams with decent defenses last season and Tannehill threw three interceptions in each of these games.

    What concerns me the most is that his team wasn't very successful with Tannehill as the starting QB. The history of high first round QB picks is that they came from teams in college which had a great deal of success with this QB running the team. A&M was a mediocre team in their conference and it doesn't appear to me that Tannehill has that ability to take his team to that next level.

    Of course I don't claim to be an expert and I do realize that many of the so called experts are high on Tannehill. That still doesn't change my view of him based on the games I watched him play and especially in the games he played against the better defenses in his conference. My view is that if Tannehill had played in a conference like the SEC, where they have a lot of superior defenses, he would not have been rated better than a third or fourth round selection.

    The Big 12 conference was basically weak from a defensive perspective and I feel that these weak defenses are the main reason this conference had so many QB's who put up such outstanding passing statistics in 2011. The reality is that Tannehill was only the sixth rated QB statistically in the conference in 2011 and I just don't see how this somehow translates into him being a top ten pick in the NFL draft.

    I can only go on what I observed in the three games I saw him play last season and I just didn't come away impressed by his overall play in any of these games.
    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I appreciate you backing your up with an actual break-down. I have asked people critical of Tannehill to do this and you are the first to actually do it.

    I think stats can be very overrated, and certainly Tannehill's were hurt by a excessive number of drops by his WRs. His stats were still very good though. As far as his team being mediocre, I'm not sure you can pin that solely on a QB. The team around him wasn't very good and yet they took some very good teams down to the wire and beat a very good Baylor team by a large margin. Drew Brees had a similar record his senior year at Purdue. Eli Manning, Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, Matt Shaub, and Matthew Stafford all were on pretty mediocre teams in college.

    I don't agree about scanning the field. I think he did this more than most QB prospects that come out. The deep ball accuracy is a question mark, but I believe that's something that can be improved upon, and in this offense that the Dolphins will run, you're going to see mostly short to intermediate passes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sports24/7 View Post
    Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I appreciate you backing your up with an actual break-down. I have asked people critical of Tannehill to do this and you are the first to actually do it.

    I think stats can be very overrated, and certainly Tannehill's were hurt by a excessive number of drops by his WRs. His stats were still very good though. As far as his team being mediocre, I'm not sure you can pin that solely on a QB. The team around him wasn't very good and yet they took some very good teams down to the wire and beat a very good Baylor team by a large margin. Drew Brees had a similar record his senior year at Purdue. Eli Manning, Josh Freeman, Matt Ryan, Matt Shaub, and Matthew Stafford all were on pretty mediocre teams in college.

    I don't agree about scanning the field. I think he did this more than most QB prospects that come out. The deep ball accuracy is a question mark, but I believe that's something that can be improved upon, and in this offense that the Dolphins will run, you're going to see mostly short to intermediate passes.
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    http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/03/12...ound-prospect/

    Here's an article that provides some visual evidence of Tannehill scanning the field along with considerably more detail. I didn't know how to copy and paste the pics, but if you go to the site, you can see them there.


    Timing

    On 3rd and 11 with 7:37 in the first quarter, Tannehill hits his WR Jeff Fuller for 12-yard gain from a 2×2 receiver, 11-personnel shotgun set. Here is the look before the snap.


    Fuller is the near side WR to the outside and he runs a 12-yard out against a defense with two-down linemen and what appears to be three linebackers and six defensive backs.

    Tannehill drops from the shotgun, looks to the right (strong) side, and then scans back to the left.


    Tannehill looks off the coverage to give his deep out a fighting chance to work against single coverage without help over top.

    The A&M quarterback finds his receiver for a 12-yard completion with a throw from the far hash to the near flat about a yard from the sideline.


    Tannehill has a clean pocket, but compared to that of Michigan State's Kirk Cousins or even Robert Griffin III, Tannehill's mechanics are better than than those players in clean pockets.

    Tannehill hits the WR on the out with the ball placed over the WR’s inside shoulder just past the trailing CB. Note the timing of this pass in the picture below.


    The ball has already left Tannehill's hand just as his receiver Fuller begins is break. This is good timing.

    Tannehill frequently delivers the ball with a three-quarter delivery. However his elbow is at or above shoulder level during his release which allows him to generate good velocity. Bernie Kosar, Rich Gannon, and Philip Rivers all threw the ball with a consistently lower delivery point than Tannehill and all three had the elbow at shoulder level. The release is a non-issue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandarilla View Post
    Drew Brees was a feckin' savvy magician in college...
    Agreed. That furthers the point that a great QB can be on a team with mediocre success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandarilla View Post
    It's like you've paraphrased my gut reaction...
    What I find interesting is that each time I am asked to respond why I don't view Tannehill as a first round selection, I have given my reasons and observations. The fact is that I actually watched Tannehill play in games this past season. Unlike some on here who only seem to like Tannehill because the so called, "experts", are high on him. I certainly understand that I could be completely wrong in my assessment of Tannehill as a future NFL QB, but all I have to do is go on line and check the, "experts", ratings of college QB's prior to the NFL drafts over the last decade to understand that these "experts", are completely wrong in their assessment of first round QB's as often as they have been correct.

    Perhaps if I had not actually watched Tannehill play last year, I would be just as eager to buy into the Tannehill hype which some on here appear to be doing. Fortunately though I did take the time to sit down and watch him play QB for Texas A&M last year. I understand that Sherman and Philbin know a lot more about Tannehill than I do, after watching him play only three games last season. If these coaches are sold on Tannehill and they want to risk their jobs in the belief that Tannehill will be a productive QB at the NFL level, I certainly feel they are entitled to make this decision.

    Since it appears that Tannehill is likely headed to the Dolphins in the first round, I wish I thought more positively about him coming here as the teams QB of the future. I will root for him to be a success if he is the Dolphins QB. Yet based on what I saw from him last season in the three games I watched him play, I have to admit, I just don't get it.

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    I also think they will take him although I am not as confident in him as they are.I hope he is able to be worthy of such a high draft pick if that's what they want.I think they should take that DE from North Carolina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jw3102 View Post
    I think drafting Tannehill with the eight pick in the draft or possibly even trading up to draft Tannehill will prove to be one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the Dolphins organization. Tannehill is a decent athlete and he seems to be a nice guy. I just don't see him coming into the NFL and becoming anything but a journeyman QB who will end up playing for 3-4 teams in his career and spend most of this time as a backup QB.

    My opinion is that if Ireland, Philbin, and Sherman are willing to risk their jobs on Tannehill, they should all be prepared to look for new jobs in a few years. If Barkley and Jones had decided to enter the NFL draft instead of returning to college this year, I doubt if Tannehill would have even being though of as a first round or even early second round selection. He only moved up in the draft because QB's who are better than he is decided to stay in college for one more year.

    I will be happy if the Dolphins draft a top offensive or defensive lineman, LB, WR, or safety with their first pick in the draft. I will not be happy if the selection is Tannehill.
    Lets not get overly dramatic about the situation. If the Dolphins draft Tannehill they are in the same position they are at the beginning of the year with Matt Moore and David Garrard as the QBs. It's not the biggest mistake ever and with the new slotting of salaries is certainly not a mistake you can't rebound from. Not to mention, it really doesn't matter what you think of him. If Joe and Sherman feel that Tannehill's deficiencies are coachable then I say go for it. We aren't going to get Barkley or Jones next year unless we suck royally and we aren't going to magically sign Drew Brees. We've seen how our pursuit of big names has gone thus far. At some point in time you gotta roll the dice. I think its a reasonable risk. It's not like we are trying to draft Brock Osweiler with the 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jw3102 View Post
    I think drafting Tannehill with the eight pick in the draft or possibly even trading up to draft Tannehill will prove to be one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the Dolphins organization. Tannehill is a decent athlete and he seems to be a nice guy. I just don't see him coming into the NFL and becoming anything but a journeyman QB who will end up playing for 3-4 teams in his career and spend most of this time as a backup QB.

    My opinion is that if Ireland, Philbin, and Sherman are willing to risk their jobs on Tannehill, they should all be prepared to look for new jobs in a few years. If Barkley and Jones had decided to enter the NFL draft instead of returning to college this year, I doubt if Tannehill would have even being though of as a first round or even early second round selection. He only moved up in the draft because QB's who are better than he is decided to stay in college for one more year.

    I will be happy if the Dolphins draft a top offensive or defensive lineman, LB, WR, or safety with their first pick in the draft. I will not be happy if the selection is Tannehill.
    Lol, don't draft Tanny because he's not better than Barkley. So according to you, when exactly can we draft a QB if we have to keep waiting and waiting and waiting?

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