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    If Cleveland stays put, Rams may gamble that Cleveland takes Richardson and TB wants Claiborne. We could package our first and the bears third maybe even both bears thirds and swap with TB to get Blackmon. This would equal Marshall for Blackmon straight up. TB could still get Claiborne at 8

    I hate trading away picks but that trade would make sense to me. To me they are found picks.

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    I'd do it in a heartbeat.
    I don't think it's in Ireland's DNA to draft a WR in the 1st round though.

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    I really like Blackmon, but I'm not trading up for anyone from 8. I'd "settle" for Floyd without parting with a pick.


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    I'd love Blackmon if he is available at #8 but I'd rather trade back into the teens and select Fleener or Floyd while acquiring more picks than trade up and lose picks.
    On the draft Quentin Rollins bandwagon.

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    Blackmon in first fleener in second. A long shot but man would that be wicked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex44 View Post
    I'd love Blackmon if he is available at #8 but I'd rather trade back into the teens and select Fleener or Floyd while acquiring more picks than trade up and lose picks.
    Normally I'd agree but,
    1. Blackmon is gonna be special, IMO
    2. If we do what the OP suggests, we're using a "bonus" pick anyway.

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    Look at what washington gave up to move from 6 to 2. Do you really think TB would take just a third for us to move from 8 to 5? No way. Theyll want at least a 2nd maybe two or more

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    Quote Originally Posted by pennphinfan View Post
    Look at what washington gave up to move from 6 to 2. Do you really think TB would take just a third for us to move from 8 to 5? No way. Theyll want at least a 2nd maybe two or more
    They overpaid because of RG3. The Rams knew what they had and bent Shanny over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSG View Post
    Normally I'd agree but,
    1. Blackmon is gonna be special, IMO
    2. If we do what the OP suggests, we're using a "bonus" pick anyway.
    1) I don't disagree but I see him as a top 10-15 receiver, not top 5. Which is what it would take me to trade up for a WR in a scheme that doesn't really require a dominant #1

    2)It may be a bonus pick but it is still our bonus pick that can be turned into a solid player (Possibly a starting RT or a decent pass rushing end) instead of just one player.

    In my dream world we acquire Fleener at TE and Streeter at WR. Having watched him at Miami I can tell you this kid is going to be SPECIAL given the right coaching. Then use our extra pick (picks if we trade down into the teens) to acquire a guy we have confidence in at RT and/or DE.
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    At 8 I want:
    1. Tannehill
    2. Coples
    3. Trade down and get more picks

    I do not want:
    1. Trade up
    2. Weeden
    3. Defensive players not named Coples or OL. Im betting this is what we end up with though


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex44 View Post
    1) I don't disagree but I see him as a top 10-15 receiver, not top 5. Which is what it would take me to trade up for a WR in a scheme that doesn't really require a dominant #1

    2)It may be a bonus pick but it is still our bonus pick that can be turned into a solid player (Possibly a starting RT or a decent pass rushing end) instead of just one player.

    In my dream world we acquire Fleener at TE and Streeter at WR. Having watched him at Miami I can tell you this kid is going to be SPECIAL given the right coaching. Then use our extra pick (picks if we trade down into the teens) to acquire a guy we have confidence in at RT and/or DE.
    You know I could live with just about anything but Tanny at 8. The guy is going to be under a microscope, and he really does not have what it takes to start day 1 not even year 1. If we stay at 8 and take BPA I am good. If we trade down to the teens and get Fleener or Floyd Im good. If we trade down twice and get Tanny or Weeden in the end of round 1, I'm ok with that too because we will have a ton of picks to throw against the wall. Reaching for Tanny I will puke!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boik14 View Post
    At 8 I want:
    1. Tannehill
    2. Coples
    3. Trade down and get more picks

    I do not want:
    1. Trade up
    2. Weeden
    3. Defensive players not named Coples or OL. Im betting this is what we end up with though
    I can live with Coples

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMORGAN6977 View Post
    You know I could live with just about anything but Tanny at 8. The guy is going to be under a microscope, and he really does not have what it takes to start day 1 not even year 1. If we stay at 8 and take BPA I am good. If we trade down to the teens and get Fleener or Floyd Im good. If we trade down twice and get Tanny or Weeden in the end of round 1, I'm ok with that too because we will have a ton of picks to throw against the wall. Reaching for Tanny I will puke!
    Yeah I'm not a fan of Tannenhill. I see him as a product of people wanting to find a QB to believe in because the top two prospects will be going #1 and #2. Barkley didn't declare and that is the only reason Tannenhill is even being considered a first round talent. I think if he falls past us it is possible he falls all the way into the second round unless Cleveland really doesn't like McCoy the way they say they do.
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    we're not trading up for a receiver in the first. And I'd doubt we'd take Blackmon if Tannehill wasn't there and Justin was.

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    There is no way I'd trade up for Blackmon. He's a solid WR but he's not close to a Megatron or even Moss. He dominated college CB's, but he's not especially fast and his size is very disappointing (6'1, 207, 4.5+). It's not all about measurables, but I think he has a bigger "bust" risk (as a top 5 pick). A guy can still be a very good WR with his size ... but it's risky to make him top 10, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul 13 View Post
    we're not trading up for a receiver in the first. And I'd doubt we'd take Blackmon if Tannehill wasn't there and Justin was.
    I agree.
    And why would we?
    We've got Brian Hartline as our #1 WR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex44 View Post
    Yeah I'm not a fan of Tannenhill. I see him as a product of people wanting to find a QB to believe in because the top two prospects will be going #1 and #2. Barkley didn't declare and that is the only reason Tannenhill is even being considered a first round talent. I think if he falls past us it is possible he falls all the way into the second round unless Cleveland really doesn't like McCoy the way they say they do.
    This is just not true imo. I like Barkley a ton but he really has nothing to do with why Tannehill is being considered a 1st rounder. Tannehill is considered a 1st rounder because:

    - He has played in a legitimate pro style system and performed well. Plus Sherman was his HC so if we dont take him, that should either A) throw up the red flag, or B) we're trading back in to the late 1st to get him should he fall. I dont think that scenario is possible but I wont completely eliminate it.
    - He has displayed uncanny accuracy for a QB with such little (19 starts) college experience. I believe the exact number was 64 dropped passes last year, roughly 10% of his passes. Thats over 5 per game.
    - He has mobility which is something they love in WCO. Looks at all the good ones and they can all move even if they arent great scramblers in some cases like Montana or Favre. At best Rodgers, Vick, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia were all excellent in this offense. Its a timing based offense with a few different route trees and buying time in this offense buys you a lot of big plays if you keep your eyes downfield which Tannehill has show he can do.
    - He can identify defenses and displays good arm strength

    This isnt to say he doesnt have his flaws like arc on his passes, deep accuracy, and slight of frame. However the frame is easily adjustable with adding another 10-15lbs of muscle. Deep Accuracy accounts for approximately 5-10% of passes. Hes not completely inaccurate in that area, it just needs improvement. His arc is probably the hardest thing to improve and something Chad Henne never really improved to the extent he needed to. It takes work but if a QB displays the kind of short and intermediate accuracy that Tanehill does I take him anyway and say hes worth the investment


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    Quote Originally Posted by Da 'Fins View Post
    There is no way I'd trade up for Blackmon. He's a solid WR but he's not close to a Megatron or even Moss. He dominated college CB's, but he's not especially fast and his size is very disappointing (6'1, 207, 4.5+). It's not all about measurables, but I think he has a bigger "bust" risk (as a top 5 pick). A guy can still be a very good WR with his size ... but it's risky to make him top 10, imo.
    Way less risky than Ryan Tannehill

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    If you listened to Philbin's interview yesterday, you'd know that drafting an offensive lineman at 8 is a real possibility. He places a lot of importance on the O-Line in his offense and knows we have a hole to fill.

    I do not think they'll reach for an O-Lineman though. My best guess would be Tannehill, Coples, or Blackmon if he's there. And I'd love any one of them.

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