Draft Winds. Free Agency, Wide Receivers in the Draft, Dolphins Meetings

Awesome Boom. Good to see you bro!

 

Good read although he lost me on the drafting a WR in the 2nd.
I hope they're not looking for a WR who is just about 6 ft tall and slower than most CB's.
I'm a firm believer in spreading the field to see what the D gives you and exploiting that formation.
We have some agility with Bess/Bush,but the speed is needed also.We are still lacking in that department.Gates hasn't proved anything yet.

 

Miss your posts so much Boom! BTW which soccer team do you follow? I am trying to pick a soccer team to officially adopt lol. I am leaning towards Arsenal...

 

No Patrick Edwards in the mix Boom?

 

Yeah I got DHyde's tweet about this early today ... great read as always

 

I wish my homework was as entertaining as this, thanks Boomer!

 

Hey Boomer what are your thoughts on Ryan Broyles being a good fit or not, assuming he is fully recovered from torn ACL?

 

Looks like we're still in it for Winston:

I think we'll get outbid but we'll see.

If we do add him and Anderson I'll have some sports wood.

 

No Boom. You are an educated opinion. Love your swagger tho with your post. ;-)
Every yr we, the experts all get it wrong but i luv who we want and think we will grab even tho 9 times out of 10 we get it wrong. p.s good write up.

 

Yep,I responded with....

I'm a firm believer in spreading the field to see what the D gives you and exploiting that formation.
We have some agility
but the speed is needed also.
We are still lacking in that department.Gates hasn't proved anything yet. in that he is unproven.

That's my opinion,you catching on?

 

Did you see the part where he pointed out that the Packers didn't need the speed and had a pretty good offense.

 

I like Chris Givens, think he can be our Greg Jennings. Double up with a Broyles and we'll be set.

 

You guys are breaking racial barriers in the NFL. McNutt = Jordy Nelson.

 

Boomer what do you think of B.J. Cunningham?

 

Never draft a guy who goes by B.J.

 

But the Packers do have speed.
Jennings is a 4.42 guy and plays fast.
Driver ran a 4.45.
Cobb is a 4.46 guy and plays fast.
Nelson is a 4.51 ex track guy who also plays fast.


Jason Jones doesn't have great top end speed but his pro day 10 yard split was 1.49.
Nelson's 10 yard: 1.50
Cobb's 10 yard: 1.56
Jennings': 1.57

That's pretty fast. As a group they have both short speed and long speed. They can all get open quickly, make plays, and make plays down field to boot. They force you to defend the entire field.

 

Boomer posted different numbers.

 

I respectfully disagree about the notion of there being any sort of "height parameter".
GB brought in Tori Gurley last year who's 6'4 216. When paired with Nelson, that dispels any "height" notion IMO.
If GB had a height parameter they wouldn't have made Nelson the 3rd receiver drafted in 2008, and after Jordy's remarkable 2011 season, I doubt Philbin ignores any 6'2+ receiver with the potential to have a Jordy Nelson type impact. That would be silly IMO. If the player has the intangibles he has the intangibles, and having the intangibles plus height should make him more appealing, not less.

 

I listed what NFLdraftscout uses, and I don't know them to ever be inaccurate.
Bottom line is, the group has a good combination of quickness & long speed.

 

I also don't agree with the "no 1st round WR" notion.

Following Philbin's 1st season as Green Bay's OC in 2007, what do the Packers do for his offense? They used their 1st draft pick in 2008 on the 6'3 217 Jordy Nelson. Just sayin. That pretty much expels the height/no 1st round WR belief.


The Packers already had Driver & Jennings, so there was little need to spend a 1st on a WR. If anything, Green Bay's willingness to use high draft picks on WRs despite being talented at the position leads me to believe Philbin would have no reservations about using a 1st on a WR with the cupboard being barren.

 

Nelson was a 2nd round pick

 

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I'll have to disagree here. Your center of mass as a shorter receiver is lower which allows you much more agility and body control than the usual 6'3'' 6'4'' guy. That's why the Chargers and Saints have so much emphasis on vertical and straight routes (posts, flies, slants). In an offense where crisp routes and excellent body control are favored, a player around 5'10''-6-0'' would tend to be better at controlling themselves. There's a reason you don't see 6'4" guys doing what Davone Bess or Wes Welker do.

 

1.49 and 1.50 10 yard splits aren't fast in their own right?

 

Green Bay had the 30th pick of the 1st round in 2008. That pick was traded back to #36, so yes, Jordy was "technically" a 2nd rounder, but he was still their first draft pick, and he was essentially the player GB used their 30th pick on.

Semantics aside, Nelson was who they used their 30th pick on.

After hitting on Jennings and already had a 3rd invested in Jones, wouldn't a 1st rounder on WR be a poor use of resources? Personally, I don't think we can say what GB would've done (regarding a 1st round WR) because they were never in the position of dire need at receiver that we're currently in. However, they see enough value in the position to still use high draft picks despite already having a talented receiving corps, so IMO perceived value is perceived value. If they perceive it high enough to use a 2nd on Cobb despite having Jennings, Nelson, Driver, and Jones rostered, then IMO they might perceive it high enough to use a 1st on a #1 go to WR for a team that currently has none.

Where you see an "unwillingness to use a 1st on a WR" I see a "willingness to repeatedly use high draft picks on WR, even when it appears to be a luxury". IMO not having technically used a 1st on the position was nothing more than coincidence.

And that's all I was saying. If there are a few guys who fit the movement requirements but have height as well, I couldn't see ruling them out. That's why I don't see why Floyd would be eliminated from discussion. Or what about mid rounder on Greg Childs? I know you were a huge fan prior to injury.

 

As always very nice, what do you guys think of Flynn, I like to know your opinion.

 

Boom, as I fairly clearly explained as well, the 6'3 217 pound Nelson was the FIRST player taken by GB immediately following Philbin's first year as OC. Are you saying it's not possible for Philbin to have expressed a desire for a big playmaking WR who can run good routes and catch the ball vertically, hence the selection of Jordy?

Perhaps Philbin has an affinity toward that one, big, go-to receiver in his offense who can score TDs, and if that's the case we have a huge hole there. If Philbin doesn't like tall receivers, then why did Nelson have almost as many targets as the back to back Pro Bowler, Jennings, but with 6 more TDs? That's not even mentioning Jordy's 18.6 avg (while Jennings' dipped to over 2 yards below his previous 4 year average) which tells me Philbin might prefer using the bigger guy down field, and if we land Flynn who doesn't have an elite arm, he'll likely need a larger receiver to help make the vertical aspect possible, no.

 

A 2nd round pick is a 2nd round pick. That is like saying 1995's 4th round pick Jamie Brown was a first rounder just because Denver didn't have any picks in the first, 2nd or 3rd ;p