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    Default Chris Weinke had similar surgery as Manning; Healed in 7 months & was Stronger

    Former Panthers QB Chris Weinke, who underwent spinal fusion surgery similar to Peyton Manning's, regained 100 percent of his arm strength after seven months.
    Comparing his injury to Manning's, Weinke said: "In terms of the similarities between the two, the fusion and the nerve regeneration are exactly the same." Weinke couldn't grip a ball at first and didn't throw "with purpose" for five months. Manning was throwing in December, three months after his surgery, leaving him ahead of Weinke's pace. Although he had to rebuild arm strength from "ground zero," Weinke actually gained velocity post-surgery due to a focus on the "little muscles" in his upper arm.
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    Great article. Glad to see Manning is ahead of schedule. Manning is just a guy you don't bet against. I am keeping my fingers crossed that he gets released in early March. This could also effect the asking price in order to trade up, since the Browns, Redskins, and Dolphins all need a QB. One of those teams should sign Matt Flynn, another should sign Manning, leaving only one team with the "need" to trade up to the Rams spot.
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    While it is definitely nice that there is precedence for recovery, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

    1) Manning is 10 years older during the surgery - for those of you my age and older, you know you healed a lot better when you were a young-un.
    2) Manning has had the surgery multiple times now, indicating to me that the original problem was more severe
    - and to points #1 and 2, that combination makes the full recovery more remote, IMO.
    3) Weinke sucked, so how do we know the difference between him being fully recovered and still injured?
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    I'm sure our local board doctors will spend the better part of the day poo pooing this. Me, I don't know whether it's significant or not since I'm definitely not a doctor. But I do agree with you about not betting against Manning. Of all the QBs available or who might be available to us during this offseason, I have the hardest difficulty picturing Manning being unsuccessful.

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    Age is the big difference between the two but the fact that Manning has had to have several surgeries, although only the one was the actual fusion surgery...the others were cleanups and bone spurs, and procedures is just as alarming. Add in the prospect that he may have to have yet more procedures as part of the healing process and you've got a situation where, at 36 yrs old, how much nerve regeneration was lost during the fusion, how quickly can he regain all of the lost muscle tissue in the shoudler/arm and how LONG will the healing process take are the questions you have to be asking about Manning. Will he be the same as before ?? We don't really know that yet, but more importantly, when will we know how close to 2009 will he be is just as important a question...

    BTW...Darlington is about 3 weeks too late in bringing this story out...its been out there for several weeks now...

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    Every actual medical doctor, not the guys posting on ThePHINS mind you, that has physically examined Manning has said that genetics does not play a role in his condition and it is not a progressive condition at this stage. They've also said that there is not structural damage to his neck anymore and all he has to do is regenerate nerves in his arm. Let's not speculate about things we're not qualified to touch on. At this point, the only thing that's hindering Manning is nerve regeneration.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingMotion View Post
    Every actual medical doctor, not the guys posting on ThePHINS mind you, that has physically examined Manning has said that genetics does not play a role in his condition and it is not a progressive condition at this stage. They've also said that there is not structural damage to his neck anymore and all he has to do is regenerate nerves in his arm. Let's not speculate about things we're not qualified to touch on. At this point, the only thing that's hindering Manning is nerve regeneration.
    what would genetics have to do with the discussion? and so far, most of the discussions have centered around nerve regeneration.

    and yes, it's not a progressive condition anymore. that's the whole point to get the bone fusions done in the first place. I've had bone fusions done in another part of my body for the same reason (preventing further damage). I remember specifically having the discussion with orthopedic surgeons who stated that the longer I waited to have my surgery (timeline of years) the more uphill the recovery might be. I had my first surgery when I was 22, and 3 follow up surgeries (one major + two cleanups) later, and I'm nowhere near 100%.

    one of the things that doesn't get brought up is whether Manning has full range of motion with his neck. Seems like most bone fusions would inherently start limiting your range of motion.
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    For anybody interested, Bob Kravitz of the Indy Star is coming up on 790 the Ticket w/ Sedano to discuss Manning

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    The talk about genetics is because Peyton's brother Cooper Manning had congenital cervical spinal stenosis, and because of that, there is reason to believe that Peyton's condition could be genetic as well.

    Honestly, I hate saying this about fellow physicians, but you cannot trust what the doctors who are directly involved in this case are saying publicly. For instance, take the comment when they say there is no structural damage in his neck at this time. Well, there may not be any structural damage, but there is definitely a loss of motion at the spot that was fused, which changes the spinal mechanics at that point. This in turn puts more pressure on the vertebra above and below the fused vertebra. Any doctor that tells you that the area is stronger than it was before surgery and that Peyton should have no problems down the road are not being truthful to you. I've seen it too often that people who have a single level vertebral fusion and recover quickly end up having the level above or below done within 3-5 years from the prevous surgery.

    I'm not directly involved in the case, so all I can tell you is what I've seen based on my admitted limited experience as a physician to this point. The people that I have seen in the past who have put off having his surgery for a pro longed period of time, which Peyton did because his symptoms started in 2006 and didn't have surgery till 2011, tend to have either a very prolonged recovery period or end up with chronic sequale from the impingement on the nerve.
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    I don't know one could say Manning is ahead of schedule? Hasn't he had 4-5 surgeries already?
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    Wow, it is great to know that Manning can recover and play like Weinke in the NFL. Now I have no doubt that the Dolphins should pass on Manning. Weinke was terrible as an NFL QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringer Bell View Post
    I don't know one could say Manning is ahead of schedule? Hasn't he had 4-5 surgeries already?
    The schedule keeps changing. He was supposed to play last season on the original schedule, but the nerve didn't regenerate. I believe he's now had a total of four surgeries, three to clear up what they believed to be causing the nerve damage and one to clear up bone spurs. After each of those three procedures he was supposed to be good in about a month, but in each case the nerve didn't regenerate. The last one was in September. Every successful case I've ever heard of had the patient back to work in about a month. When Montana had his procedure he was playing great on day 56. He actually could have played sooner but Young was playing great so Montana had lost the starting job. I don't know what the "new" schedule is, but if it's based on Weinke then you figure Manning might be ready by September.


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    I honestly don't know what to think anymore but I do know that Dolphins fans need to start accepting the fact that this team is going to bring in Peyton Manning. ALbert Breer reported during the combine that the team still likes Ryan Tannehill a lot and could draft him and groom him behind Manning.

    That would be a homerun scenario for me. Let's get Manning in here for two years and get a quarterback in waiting on the roster at the same time. If Manning works out, we're Super Bowl contenders for the next few years and then hopefully we hand it off to a hot, young quarterback prospect. If his health fails him, give the ball to Matt Moore this year and turn it over to Tannehill in 2013 when Moore's contract is up.

    I really don't see how any Dolphins fan could be against that scenario. It's literally covering every base at the most important position in all of sports and one that we have ignored for the past 12 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rafael View Post
    The schedule keeps changing. He was supposed to play last season on the original schedule, but the nerve didn't regenerate. I believe he's now had a total of four surgeries, three to clear up what they believed to be causing the nerve damage and one to clear up bone spurs. After each of those three procedures he was supposed to be good in about a month, but in each case the nerve didn't regenerate. The last one was in September. Every successful case I've ever heard of had the patient back to work in about a month. When Montana had his procedure he was playing great on day 56. He actually could have played sooner but Young was playing great so Montana had lost the starting job. I don't know what the "new" schedule is, but if it's based on Weinke then you figure Manning might be ready by September.
    and therein is part of the problem. people are assuming (not you) that doctors know exactly how to fix the problem to get Manning back on the road to recovery. usually not the case. the fact that he's had multiple surgeries means they are taking educated guesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jw3102 View Post
    Wow, it is great to know that Manning can recover and play like Weinke in the NFL. Now I have no doubt that the Dolphins should pass on Manning. Weinke was terrible as an NFL QB.
    That isn't the point is it?

    If Chris Weinke can recover to his previous ability is , not whether he ever was good enough to be an elite NFL QB is. Having a former NFL QB that has gone through this and is currently involved with a highly regarded Football Academy and has been training QB's such as Cam Newton voice his opinion and view should be taken with some respect imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04 View Post
    I honestly don't know what to think anymore but I do know that Dolphins fans need to start accepting the fact that this team is going to bring in Peyton Manning. ALbert Breer reported during the combine that the team still likes Ryan Tannehill a lot and could draft him and groom him behind Manning.

    That would be a homerun scenario for me. Let's get Manning in here for two years and get a quarterback in waiting on the roster at the same time. If Manning works out, we're Super Bowl contenders for the next few years and then hopefully we hand it off to a hot, young quarterback prospect. If his health fails him, give the ball to Matt Moore this year and turn it over to Tannehill in 2013 when Moore's contract is up.

    I really don't see how any Dolphins fan could be against that scenario. It's literally covering every base at the most important position in all of sports and one that we have ignored for the past 12 years.

    Makes far too much sense to be ignored imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolfan22 View Post
    Makes far too much sense to be ignored imo.
    I think a lot of people look at the Manning signing as a prelude to the draft in that we cannot select a quarterback high if we acquire Manning. Peyton has to know that he's a gamble and that the team that decides to take that gamble has every right to leave no stone unturned.

    Another thing to think about, it sounds like Manning is seeking out the Dolphins in particular. I think it says a lot about our team that he's choosing us over New York, Arizona, Seattle, WAshington or whoever. He obviously sees the Dolphins being a team that is just a few pieces away. Maybe he and Reggie Wayne are those pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04 View Post
    I honestly don't know what to think anymore but I do know that Dolphins fans need to start accepting the fact that this team is going to bring in Peyton Manning. ALbert Breer reported during the combine that the team still likes Ryan Tannehill a lot and could draft him and groom him behind Manning.

    That would be a homerun scenario for me. Let's get Manning in here for two years and get a quarterback in waiting on the roster at the same time. If Manning works out, we're Super Bowl contenders for the next few years and then hopefully we hand it off to a hot, young quarterback prospect. If his health fails him, give the ball to Matt Moore this year and turn it over to Tannehill in 2013 when Moore's contract is up.

    I really don't see how any Dolphins fan could be against that scenario. It's literally covering every base at the most important position in all of sports and one that we have ignored for the past 12 years.

    I am one Dolphin fan who is totally against this scenario. First of all I am not convinced that Manning will ever be able to play another NFL football game and signing him is a huge risk, as far as I am concerned. Unless of course he is willing to sign a contract based entirely on his ability to play next season.

    Next I am not a big fan of Tannehill. He wasn't really very good at the college level and while he was the starting QB of Texas A&M, the team was very mediocre. He did nothing as the teams starting QB to improve the play of those around him. Unlike Luck, RG3, Weeden, and even Kellen Moore, who were able to improve the play of those around them by their excellent play at the QB position. I don't see Tannehill ever being more than a backup caliber QB in the NFL and to me it would be a total waste of a pick if the Dolphins take him in the first or second round.

    I am not real high on Weeden because of his age , or Kellen Moore because of his size and lack of arm strenght, but I still think they both will have better careers in the NFL than Tannehill. I would much rather see the Dolphins select Kellen Moore in the fourth or fifth round than waste a pick on Tannehill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04 View Post
    I think a lot of people look at the Manning signing as a prelude to the draft in that we cannot select a quarterback high if we acquire Manning. Peyton has to know that he's a gamble and that the team that decides to take that gamble has every right to leave no stone unturned.

    Another thing to think about, it sounds like Manning is seeking out the Dolphins in particular. I think it says a lot about our team that he's choosing us over New York, Arizona, Seattle, WAshington or whoever. He obviously sees the Dolphins being a team that is just a few pieces away. Maybe he and Reggie Wayne are those pieces.

    we shall see Aqua. If you're gonna gamble on Manning, then it's pretty silly, IMO, to draft a QB with #8 pick. Manning is clearly and absolutely a short-term strategy to get to the superbowl. drafting a elite-starter with #8 increases your chances for success with your short-term strategy. you want to have your cake and eat it too. which would be great if we had two first round picks, but we don't

    our insurance policy for the short-term strategy is Matt Moore.
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    Mannings top teams should be:

    1. Houston
    2. SF

    After that the other teams being talked about are ok. Sure great for a team like Miami or Seattle or Washington because Manning is so dang amazing just adding him makes you one of the SB favorites. these teams aren't ideal for him but it may be his only choice. I think Peyton is going to be back, and come back strong. I think he is going to have a good 4 years of elite play and could play 5-8 years total. that a career for another guy.

    I sign him and bring in a decent guy behind him but go in with full confidence that PEyton is my guy. If it doesnt work out then oh well. But don't bet against Peyton, there is no better or more valuable guy in the league. He makes a difference like nobody else and has a work ethic that is unparalleled. Do not bet against Peyton.

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