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    Default You will never win until you get a No.1 QB

    Yes, this is coming from a Lions fan we took 50 years to find our replacement to Bobby Lane. Don't bother with Tannehill, Foles or Cousins. You don't need QB that turns out like Flacco, Sanchez or Gabbert. Maybe take K.Moore or Wilson with a late round pick just as a steady back up to M.Moore who can sit. Draft every posistion that needs filling on your team this year that isn't QB. Then next year break the Bank for Barkley, you have no hope of doing it for Luck but Barkley won't be worth as much. We went from the losers of the NFL to the playoffs with a QB that threw for 5000 yards & 41 TD's. Flynn isn't worth investing anything in he's started to games and in the game against us I can tell you we had a torn up secondary with injuries. Manning is an option if your lucky enough to pick him but hes the only FA option IMO.

    DRAFT: Matt Barkley, trade the bank for the number 1 pick in 2013.

    You already have a pretty good team with a lot of pieces in place but you gotta get your guy.

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    while everyone seems convinced that Luck is that franchise QB, I'm not convinced that Barkley is significantly better than Tannehill.
    Besides, if we do beef up the rest of the team in the draft and FA and go with Moore, we're likely a 9+ win team next season - making it even harder to trade up to get someone like a Barkley in top 3 pick. "Planning" your 2012 draft strategy around hoping to trade up to get someone in 2013 is incredibly silly..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohio Fanatic View Post
    while everyone seems convinced that Luck is that franchise QB, I'm not convinced that Barkley is significantly better than Tannehill.
    Besides, if we do beef up the rest of the team in the draft and FA and go with Moore, we're likely a 9+ win team next season - making it even harder to trade up to get someone like a Barkley in top 3 pick. "Planning" your 2012 draft strategy around hoping to trade up to get someone in 2013 is incredibly silly..
    Barkley is far superior to tannehill as a prospect, Barkley actually had a better year than Luck this year. But the point is you want your guy you got to trade up. It won't happen this year with Luck given his status. But it can next year, someones going have to have a pretty damn good season to take Barkleys place next year. But whoever your number 1 QB you got to get him. Dolphins are one of the most solid teams that don't have a legit QB.

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    Thanks but this team and it's fans have had enough of "wait till next year" to address the QB situation.

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    Your not going to be waiting... Your going get Peyton Manning. I bet the house he is the starting QB in Miami this season. But the solution above is what must be done for the long term future of this franchise.

    Well last year would of being the same if you'd made a grab at QB do you really want Gabbert or Ponder on your team. Gabbert looked awful and I saw Ponder first hand throw 3 picks against us a pick 6 and a fumble in the endzone for a TD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRoarrr View Post
    Barkley is far superior to tannehill as a prospect, Barkley actually had a better year than Luck this year. But the point is you want your guy you got to trade up. It won't happen this year with Luck given his status. But it can next year, someones going have to have a pretty damn good season to take Barkleys place next year. But whoever your number 1 QB you got to get him. Dolphins are one of the most solid teams that don't have a legit QB.
    Is he? I'm not sold that Barkley is that much better than Tannehill.

    You seem to be forgetting that Barkley isn't even the best QB in the 2013 Draft. And why would Miami wait for a QB when said QB could get injured?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRoarrr View Post
    Your not going to be waiting... Your going get Peyton Manning. I bet the house he is the starting QB in Miami this season. But the solution above is what must be done for the long term future of this franchise.

    Well last year would of being the same if you'd made a grab at QB do you really want Gabbert or Ponder on your team. Gabbert looked awful and I saw Ponder first hand throw 3 picks against us a pick 6 and a fumble in the endzone for a TD.
    Meh, you're losing credibility. I don't see Manning as our QB. It's either Flynn or Moore + Tannehill
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    Yeah, he is a lot better than Tannehill. Barkley: 39 TD 7 INTS COMP 69.1 Tannehill: 29 TD 15 INT COMP 61.6%... I could add records USC 10-2 TA&M 7-6 but winning games is both sides of the ball.

    And um he's not who's better Jones, Wilson...? I'm not a USC fan either, in fact I'm a Notre Dame fan lol. But Barkley played a lot better than both of them last year. Landry would of probably came out this year if his stock hadn't dropped so much. Barkley would of came out this year but he's going back to have a run at the BCS NC that team is pretty loaded even with losing some key players like Kahil and to be the No.1 pick in the 2013 draft.

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    See it how you want, maybe you just don't like an outsiders perspective looking in on your team. I dunno... Honestly though: Flynn or Moore + Tannehill = Mediocrity. I like to see the fins do well they're the team in the AFC I like to see do well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRoarrr View Post
    See it how you want, maybe you just don't like an outsiders perspective looking in on your team. I dunno... Honestly though: Flynn or Moore + Tannehill = Mediocrity. I like to see the fins do well they're the team in the AFC I like to see do well.
    You being an outsider or not has zero impact on how we regard your opinion. I'm not professing that either Flynn or Moore + Tannehill are the future of this franchise. I'm just stating that they will probably be our choices for QB this season since Luck is out of range and Manning is a waste.

    I also don't believe in comparing QB's TD/INTs as an isolated stat. Like you mentioned, USC is loaded and that's why Barkley is staying. Having a loaded team puts the QB in a much better position to make plays. Look at Mark Sanchez at USC: 34 TDs, 10 INTs, 66% comp, pretty close to Barkley's numbers. While I believe that Barkley is better than Sanchez, I think he's still a little over-hyped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRoarrr View Post
    Don't bother with Tannehill, Foles or Cousins. You don't need QB that turns out like Flacco, Sanchez or Gabbert.
    And what makes you qualified to rule these QB's out? I've heard this way too often. They told me Brees was too small, Rodger's was a system QB, Newton couldn't run an NFL offense and Tom Brady lacked the physical tools to be an NFL QB. Kind of tired of fan boy opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRoarrr View Post
    Yes, this is coming from a Lions fan we took 50 years to find our replacement to Bobby Lane. Don't bother with Tannehill, Foles or Cousins. You don't need QB that turns out like Flacco, Sanchez or Gabbert. Maybe take K.Moore or Wilson with a late round pick just as a steady back up to M.Moore who can sit. Draft every posistion that needs filling on your team this year that isn't QB. Then next year break the Bank for Barkley, you have no hope of doing it for Luck but Barkley won't be worth as much. We went from the losers of the NFL to the playoffs with a QB that threw for 5000 yards & 41 TD's. Flynn isn't worth investing anything in he's started to games and in the game against us I can tell you we had a torn up secondary with injuries. Manning is an option if your lucky enough to pick him but hes the only FA option IMO.

    DRAFT: Matt Barkley, trade the bank for the number 1 pick in 2013.

    You already have a pretty good team with a lot of pieces in place but you gotta get your guy.
    Maybe...but the Ravens won the SB with Dilfer...NOT even close to a franchise guy. The 72 Fins won with a caretaker at QB, in fact with our backup guy for most of the year. The Bucs won with Brad Johnson at QB... Guys have gotten their teams to the SB that were mediocre at best...guys like Woodley, Doug Williams, Billy Kilmer, Craig Morton, Vince Ferregamo, Jim Plunkett, Tony Eason, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, Stan Humphries, Neil O'Donnell, Drew Bledsoe, Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman and Matt Hasselback....All guys that got their teams to the dance...It's the team around the guy as much as the guy himself...we had one of the best QBs of all times, and could only get him to the dance once and he carried this team for 17 yrs...

    Even if you say in the recent history it takes a franchise guy, it's not a right statement... You think Brady is at the SB without BB and the team around him ?? I don't....

    Now, I'm not saying that having a franchise guy will hurt your chances, but you need a solid team around that guy as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larryfinfan View Post
    Now, I'm not saying that having a franchise guy will hurt your chances, but you need a solid team around that guy as well...
    The way I look at it: in today's NFL, the franchise QB gets you to the playoffs, the good team around the QB gets you to the big dance
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRoarrr View Post
    Yeah, he is a lot better than Tannehill. Barkley: 39 TD 7 INTS COMP 69.1 Tannehill: 29 TD 15 INT COMP 61.6%... I could add records USC 10-2 TA&M 7-6 but winning games is both sides of the ball.

    And um he's not who's better Jones, Wilson...? I'm not a USC fan either, in fact I'm a Notre Dame fan lol. But Barkley played a lot better than both of them last year. Landry would of probably came out this year if his stock hadn't dropped so much. Barkley would of came out this year but he's going back to have a run at the BCS NC that team is pretty loaded even with losing some key players like Kahil and to be the No.1 pick in the 2013 draft.
    It's not about the numbers. If it were, then Timmy Chang would be in the Hall of Fame and Case Keenum would be negotiating with Indianapolis for the #1 overall contract. You have to study a lot more than just the numbers.

    Look at the supporting casts; I don't see a top 5 LT on A+M's line or two of the best receivers in the nation or a great defense. LOT more than just numbers.

    As for next year - Logan Thomas of Virginia Tech. And there's a LOT more behind Landry Jones's decision to stay.

    Dude, the Draft is what I do. Have you sat and watched every single throw that Tannehill made at TAMU? Because I have. To refer to him as "mediocre" just ruins any credibility you might bring to an argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
    It's not about the numbers. If it were, then Timmy Chang would be in the Hall of Fame and Case Keenum would be negotiating with Indianapolis for the #1 overall contract. You have to study a lot more than just the numbers.

    Look at the supporting casts; I don't see a top 5 LT on A+M's line or two of the best receivers in the nation or a great defense. LOT more than just numbers.

    As for next year - Logan Thomas of Virginia Tech. And there's a LOT more behind Landry Jones's decision to stay.

    Dude, the Draft is what I do. Have you sit and watched every single throw that Tannehill made at TAMU? Because I have. To refer to him as "mediocre" just ruins any credibility you might bring to an argument.
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    Well Good Luck next year, it does take more than a franchise QB to win a SB... But as the above guy said it rapidly increases your chances. If you have season after season of playoff appearances at least your in the running to make it, Thats all you can ask. Look at the NYG this year 9-7 won the Super Bowl.

    I hope you guys do you get your QB soon, cause you have a team that should be challenging for the division with the Patriots if you do.

    As for that Case Keenum comparision... The difference is he wasn't in the PAC or Big 12 so you don't even need to compare him. In my opinion those are both legit conferences. I will give you the Big 12 schedule is a bit tougher than the PAC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRoarrr View Post
    See it how you want, maybe you just don't like an outsiders perspective looking in on your team. I dunno... Honestly though: Flynn or Moore + Tannehill = Mediocrity. I like to see the fins do well they're the team in the AFC I like to see do well.
    I think it's the idea of a Lions fan coming to a messageboard where just about every person that posts here does it on a daily basis. Pretty much everyone here has their finger on the pulse of the Dolphins and could recite the 53 man roster to you in their sleep. You come in here telling us how it is and what needs to happen (and frankly, your idea is quite silly to be honest) and expect us to not call you out for it? Ryan Tannehill is my 2nd favorite quarterback in this class and damn well worth a top 10 pick in my opinion. I'd much rather have him over RG3.

    We do appreciate a fan of another team here and I think that makes a messageboard a lot better when you have multiple teams being represented, just pump the breaks a little when you post about our team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    And what makes you qualified to rule these QB's out? I've heard this way too often. They told me Brees was too small, Rodger's was a system QB, Newton couldn't run an NFL offense and Tom Brady lacked the physical tools to be an NFL QB. Kind of tired of fan boy opinions.
    Dont believe those were fanboy opinions, those were NFL Draft guys saying those things.

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