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Edds-Dansby-SS24 vrs NE. tight ends..

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Jul 2, 2011.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Whatta you like don't like about the match-up?

    Imo,

    Dansby..Watchin this guy all offseason was a pleasure, he's worth the money man, his coverage skills are truly top notch for man his size, he plays the pass with safety type Kinesiology..I'am tellin ya, If Edds can perform to at least what he was drafted for, coverage skills,{and he can cover}, alongside SS24 comin down in that hybrid mode, well, I think we match up about as well as your gonna get in this league..

    SS24 gettin reps at safety, plus just his overall talent and size, make him a team unique option for our defense to exploit this strength of our opponent, then you put Dansby and Edds in that bloodzone like another set of safeties, damn. What is that like a 5-2-2 with VD21 and Will Allen playing on the perimeters? {Alen,Dpate, where you at?}, what the hell would you call that?, I'll tell ya what I call it..Bad ***..I believe when you have a player of Wakes ability, you really can afford to drop 7 or 8 and still not sacrifice pressure..''Release the mother grabbin Kracken'' on Brady? I mean with that spread that they are so effective in, I feel confident droppin max players and rushing Wake, Odrick, Starks and whoever.

    I'am not sayin they won't get theirs, Gronkowski is a freakin stud, {had us drafting him}, Hernandez is explosive, but, I like the way we can cover the field, and rush the passer, with some unique skillsets in our favor.

    I think its a classic case of strength vrs strength, you?
     
  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Key to that is "release Starks Wake (Odrick and whomever)"

    Odie is an unknown and "whomever" is a good way to describe the #4 pass rusher, we really do not have one unless Misi does improve.

    Really like Dansby as you can do so much with him, as you say, especially if Edds works out.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Starks, Odrick and Wake give us an excellent set of skillsets in a 3 man pass rush.. besides some pass rush ability from Starks and Odrick, and of course Wake, all three players play the run well and have strength to hold their ground.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Odie is an unknown Deej, or as you call him "Hong Kong Fuey!", the one guy who sort of interests me is Phil Merling, contract yr, McD leaving, he knew how close he came to being cut in 2010 if the fountain of motivation was his beverage during this down time his skillset still should be there and there are snaps to be had.

    BTW, formatting 4 laptop hard drives this evening, can recall once having a life.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    good luck with that double megabyte formatted TTC hard drive thing you do, I could prolly get that done in about 1/2 hour if I was there bud, I'am genius at that sh%$ Pod..

    Anyways, HK Phuey is not that much of an unknown to me if hes healthy, he played most of that bills game and looked good, strong and active.
     
  6. padre31

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    HD's are fine, it is the old as dirt laptops that I'm messing with that causes the issues...recall the days of floppies?

    That is where I am with this..:lol:

    A half against poor quality Tackles is not exactly a resume enhancer Deej, not that I'm down on Odie, merely being objective, Merling on the other hand does have a good body of work, he does need to take things seriously or he is on the cut list, however if he is focused he could break out this yr.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yeah those floppies were a *****..damn things totally screwed up my hard drive several times..I had to go in there and take the thing completely apart..and then put it back together again..seamlessly btw.

    Merling's been humbled, if his *** isn't in shape this year, just trade that sucker for a 4th round pick.
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    One of the reasons why I like laptops, easier to work on stuff like that on them.

    Biggest drawback is 1 drive bay, you need both a floppy and cd drive, bios won't boot CD so Sys C: is needed and wrong version you are sol.


    Recall what he said when he was activated in 2010?

    "I'm just glad to have a job, they could have waived me so I'm grateful"

    O was saying he had weight problems towards the end of the yr, have to think that was a lingering effect from the Achilles, with months and months since the season ended, imo he took a lesson from Soliai, one time screwup who took it seriously, played like a beast, got 12 million.

    Merling's as talented as anyone, his problem was motivation, so he should be someone to watch if we ever have a Training Camp.
     
  9. Ozzy

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    I'd much rather see Odrick over Merling at this point. Merling has been nothing and if he needs to be in a contract year to finally bust out, I'd be leary of signing him to another contract.
     
  10. padre31

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    Actually Ozman, from 08 and 09 Merling was right there with Kendall Langford (per PFF) his problem was he was not as willing to put in the grind hours in that time, in 2010 when he tore his Achilles he was working out on his own on passrushing moves, which is a great sign, coming back to quickly from the Achilles though, to me was not a good idea but with all of the extra time due to the lockout he will have had plenty of time to work on himself this offseason and that is what makes him compelling to watch.

    As for Odie, no one knows what he has to offer, and with McD leaving the #4 DE slot will be open for sure and Merling would be quality depth and maybe more.
     
  11. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Totally.... SOL if you don't have that Sys C, really makes things difficult.


    man if we could get a couple of nice unexpected things to happen, like Merling playing up to his talent, I sure as hell will be howlin..There were three players that kept this team from literally dominating some opponents on the defensive end..Jason Allen..Benny Sapp and Jason Allen..
     
  12. padre31

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    You don't really want to know how I'm trying to get around that...:shifty:

    Well, indeed, thought JA was just wearing a target, he was the weak link, he'd get his int's he'd also give up bit plays, same old with him.

    As for the DE situation, KL and Merling will be FA's after 2011 if things stay the same, both should be highly motivated, and with McD leaving opportunity is knocking for one of them to step forwards.

    Would love to get something out of Sheets.
     
  13. Third Man

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    Sean Smith is potentially the perfect antidote to Aaron Hernandez. I mean, it's true that Smith isn't very good at getting off blocks, but Hernandez can't block for ****, either. The Pats almost never ran his way last year. The key, I think, is to treat him like a WR and then have a guy who can cover him, which I think we do. Smith likes playing against the bigger, physical guys anyway, rather than the smurfs of the league. I think he instinctively knows he's going to be quicker and more athletic than anyone his size, which is generally true.

    In man coverage, I think ideally you'd see either Dansby or Edds on Gronkowski (the other, depending on the look, either sitting in zone, blitzing or covering a back out of the backfield), and Smith on Hernandez, who they typically split out, sometimes wide but generally in the slot. Then we'd have some combination of Vontae, Will Allen and Nolan Carroll on the perimeter (preferably Will Allen -- assuming he's back physically -- on Welker, who's a really crafty WR. Probably too crafty for Vontae right now).

    The Patriots ran a ton of 2 TE last year (in run looks, with Hernandez out and Crumpler in). It was pretty much their base personnel, so the key to stopping their offense is going to be stopping that grouping. Unlike a lot of teams, who don't really have the athletic inside linebackers to cover Gronkowski or a freakishly big corner or athletic safety to match up on Hernandez, the Dolphins really do have both (unlike a team like, say, the Jets). I really like our chances against that grouping.
     
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  14. GMJohnson

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    Pads, how would you feel about allowing Merling to slim down to traditional 4-3 DE size and becoming a situational player/pass rusher for us? IMO we're in good shape @ DE vs the run w/ Starks, Langford & Odrick, I think the defense as a whole is a good run stopping unit. What we seem to be missing is a compliment to Wake who can bring pressure from the other side and help keep Wake fresh through the course of the game/season. Merling was a 4-3 guy at Clemson who has struggled transitioning to a 5 technique, but maybe we can get more out if him if we let him go back to doing what he did best in college. What say you?
     
  15. GMJohnson

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    Screw NE!!! NY showed that if you have two CBs who can hold their own 1 on 1 vs Branch and Tate, you can use your safeties and LBs to flood the middle and the short zones and make life very difficult for Welker, Gronkowski & Hernandez. Smith and Davis are not Cromartie and Revis, but they have similar skill sets. The key will be can the nickel package hold up vs the run game when you're using it vs NE's 2 TE set?

    NE took two backs early in the draft to help them punish teams for going nickel to stop Tom Brady, so it's not like Belichek doesn't realize that he got exposed in the playoffs. Woodhead and Green Elllis are decent, but they're not going to force teams to stop focusing on stopping Brady. We'll have to see what these new backs look like, can they grind out the tough yards and keep Brady off of his back? I sure hope not.
     
  16. Southbeach

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    I don't understand why "hardly ever" take a shot at TE's coming off the line. Can anyone explain?
     
  17. padre31

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    I think his path to the roster is to take McD's old job as a DE/DT/NT GMJ, do think he needs to slim down but can see him as a replacement for Soliai on passing downs with Odie moving to LDE, Starks at RDT and Wake at RDE.

    Or let Dansby by a sort of Elephant for us if Edds can handle the ILB coverage duties, Nolan is going to think Christmas came early when the season starts, Odie, Edds, Merling, Will Allen, all added back to the tool box.
     
  18. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Last season we had 5 tight ends lead their respective teams in receiving against us
    Gronkowski,Pettigrew,Scaife,Watson,and Shiancoe so call me sceptical if we are going to
    count on Edds as our savior
     
  19. alen1

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    Their run game was top ten last season (#9 overall) and higher than their pass game. Both of the guys they got (Ridley and Vareen) are in-between the tacklers runners, though Vareen has some good hands too and open field vision IMO.
     
  20. GMJohnson

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    You're correct there, what I would say though, is that their success running the ball was due more to teams' focusing on stopping Brady, moreso than anything else. IMO the Jets exposed them in the playoffs and they want better backs who can take advantage when teams go nickel against their 2 TE sets, b/c Woodhead, Faulk, Green Ellis & Woodhead aren't scaring anyone.
     
  21. padre31

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  22. MrClean

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    Edds had nothing to do with that, so why is it viewed with skepticism that he may help?
     
  23. Killerphins

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    Anything to get Crowder off the field on 3rd down... :up:
     
  24. djphinfan

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    Pats fans think they have the best tight end unit in the league, not gonna argue with that..Were gonna need our 3 players to step up and play their roles, we need to use that unique athleticism and try to take away that offense's strength.
     
  25. djphinfan

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    Crowder on a crossing route...'' WHOA! I can't turn and go the other way like that.''.

    His teammates love him..I just hope he got in good shape this offseason.
     
  26. Disgustipate

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    Yes, but none of that was really Sean Smith or Karlos Dansby. I realize there's some skepticism about PFF, but it's basically free in the offseason so up yours :D

    Shiancoe:
    vs. Quentin Moses: 1 reception, 19 yards
    vs. Tim Dobbins: 1 reception, 33 yards.

    Scaife(I wouldn't really consider Scaife's production of 7 catches for 51 yards problematic):
    No player gave up a particularly big play or multiple plays.

    Watson:
    vs. Yeremiah Bell: 3 for 49
    vs. Tim Dobbins: 1 for 15

    Pettigrew:
    vs. Tim Dobbins: 3 for 76

    Gronkowski:
    Chris Clemons: 2 for 32
    Channing Crowder: 1 for 26
    Benny Sapp: 2 for 38

    What's the conclusion, then? Tim Dobbins is as bad in coverage as Akin Ayodele was. How worked up do you get over your #3 ILB, though? Especially when he'll be competing with the aforementioned Edds.
     
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  27. djphinfan

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    just to add to this logical and accurate post..for example..Pettigrew had a decent day against us, but that's because we held their starting receivers in check.. 5 catches 59 yards between Johnson and Burleson..

    The point remains, we'll have 3 players on our defense who will be engaged against their tightends, who have excellent coverage ability, and who will not be lining up at the corner position when the ball is snapped, for the most part..

    I think we match up well if edds can play.
     

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