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Barry Jackson Dolphins Notebook

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Aug 25, 2010.

  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Among outside linebackers, Koa Misi and Cameron Wake are set, and Charlie Anderson also figures to stick. Ikaika Alama-Francis has a good chance -- Sparano on Wednesday raved about a special-teams play he made in Saturday's preseason game.

    Among those competing for one or two outside linebacker jobs: Erik Walden, who appeared in 11 games last season and received considerable work in the Jacksonville game, rookie seventh-rounder Chris McCoy and Quentin Moses, who has been sidelined this week with an injury.

    • Richie Incognito is close to winning the starting left guard job. ``I'm not completely settled there, but I'm settling in a little bit more,'' Sparano said.

    • Nolan Carroll, who handled slot cornerback duties in the Jacksonville game in Will Allen's absence, is in position to be supplanted by ex-Viking Benny Sapp, who was acquired Wednesday. Carroll was beaten on a short touchdown pass and a 24-yard reception and also was penalized for pass interference against the Jaguars.

    • Sparano on Randy Starks' adjustment to nose tackle: ``In the last two weeks, I've seen Randy become much more comfortable and much more disruptive.''

    • Jake Grove opened at center for the third consecutive practice. He and Joe Berger have been alternating series in their competition for the starting center job.

    Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/25/1792530/competition-heats-up-at-miami.html#ixzz0xfyn4N9m
     
  2. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Looking more and more like an opening day O-Line of:

    Long - Incognito - Grove - Jerry - Carey

    which I have no problems with.

    I'm glad that Wake and Misi are essentially locked in at the starting spots. I'd really like to see Chris McCoy stick on the 53 man roster and get the Lionel Dotson treatment. I feel like he'd be plucked pretty quickly if he were placed on the practice squad.

    Part of me wonders if we'll keep 6 CBs on the roster in Davis, Smith, Sapp, Carroll, and both Allens...guess we'll see. Thanks for sharing that; Barry Jackson's stuff is always pretty good.
     
  3. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Man, Misi, Oddrick, and Jerry all holding down their spots and then some. What a draft.
     
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  4. Lab3003

    Lab3003 Golden era

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    I don't know if its a good draft or the Dolphins had lots of holes. Misi replaced Twinkle Toes, Odrick replaced injured Philip Merling and Jerry slid into a spot that's been in flux for the past two seasons (thanks Donald Thomas for nothing).




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  5. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Plus you have Nolan Carroll as a potential KR/dime DB, and I'd have to imagine that if Edds hadn't gotten injured, he'd probably be taking the Wesley Woodyard role and play on special teams and in passing packages. I'd like to think that Reshad Jones also eventually replaces Yeremiah Bell. If all that shakes out, that's a helluva class.
     
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  6. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    It seems they really want Grove to be the starting C. It makes sense not only b/c I think Grove is a little bit better but also b/c Berger is a better fit to fill-in anywhere along the line if needed.

    I'd like McCoy for the last OLB spot. I haven't focused on him so I can't say how he's played, but I think he has the highest ceiling.

    I'll guess Johnson at ILB, but I don't know what and how he's done on STs.
     
  7. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    the Orca Five for 2010:
    Long-Incognito-Grove-Jerry-Carey

    1) am pleasantly surprised that JJ is apparently making the transition to the NFL as a rookie
    2) excellent depth to this Offensive Line

    3) coupled w/ excellent coaching & major investments should pay big dividends this year
     
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  8. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This is helping me frame some of my expectations about how many linebacker positions we have on roster. Seems like nine is the number, five outsides and four insides.

    I can't believe that IAF is a lock but he seems to be. The Dolphins will keep Misi and Wake, Anderson and IAF, and I believe the fifth should be Quentin Moses. Truthfully how I would present it would be I keep Misi and Wake, Anderson and Moses as their backups, and IAF as the fifth guy that is a project player and a STs player.

    Sparano said specifically that we have a top three at the ILB positions and that the fourth guy has to be a STs player. I believe that will be Austin Spitler.

    So that leaves Chris McCoy, Erik Walden, Micah Johnson and J.D. Folsom fending for practice squad positions. Well, not Walden. His time is unfortunately done.

    If we're keeping 9 LBs though...wonder how many DBs and DLs.
     
  9. gandalfin

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    No so much for our tackles though, until Garner returns.
     
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  10. AbideN703

    AbideN703 Yes, I'd hit it

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    Sometimes you have to get younger at certain positions. I wouldn't consider it as filling holes so much as needing to get younger, quicker and overall better.
     
  11. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    CK... first time I have seen that Marshall sig and I have to say you have way too much time on your hands... :lol:
     
  12. mommabilly

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    Garner is going to be a huge question mark, even when he returns. Depending on where his foot was broken and what type of surgery he has, it may take a full season to heal properly. To expand on that thought, what I was referring to was his style and ability to play at a level that the staff is used to him playing at.

    I do not care what I read or hear about this 4 to 6 week crapola on his return. Yeah, maybe in 4 to 6 weeks the cast or whatever may come off or screw or whatever come out but that does not mean he is healed and ready to go. If forced to come back sooner then when he is fully healed, he has a chance to injure it a third time.

    This is worse then a high ankle sprain and even with an bad high ankle sprain, 100% heal time could be two months. Too many times players are rushed back from high ankle sprains or broken foot only to be a disapointment when they actually have to play and its no fault of the player, it just was not time yet.

    They may be forced to dress 8 lineman this year for games. Backup C, G and T
    If they start Grove, the backup C and G is wrapped up in one player, Berger. They still have to dress a backup OT which would most likely be Murtha. Now, what happens to Donald Thomas ? Do they de activate him on game days or do they go ahead and dress 8 offensive lineman ? I believe Jake Grove is a better player then Berger. I notice on the majority of Bergers doublteams, he stands up straight in the air like a nice tall tree, thats not good if the double team was meant to drive a Dlineman into never never land.

    Seen a glaring instance of this in last weeks game. Incognito and Berger had to doublteam somebody and Incognito was relatively low and Berger came high from the side and just slid off the guy. First thought it was the rain and slippery but saw it a few more times. When they brought Grove in, he stayed low with whichever guard he was doing the double team with and there was no problem.

    Grove has a little bit better " swivel head " IMO also. Just an opinion of a fan here but, I honestly think they dress 8 Oline due to needing a G,C and OT as backups and I have no problem with that because Jerry, Incognito, Grove, Berger, Thomas or Proctor has not taken one snap at the OT position thru training camp. That leaves Murtha or Gardner and Murtha is the better of the two, not by much but still better slightly.
     
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  13. padre31

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    FWIW mommabilly, OmarK has Donald Thomas being used as trade bait.

    Which makes sense, he is only a Guard, and Berger has that locked down in a backup role.
     
  14. Larry Little

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    Chris McCoy has been completely invisible in the preseason games... which is surprising to me. I wouldn't expect much from a 7th-rounder, but knowing how athletic that guy is, I'd expect to at least see something worth developing. He has shown nothing so far.
     
  15. rafael

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    I really liked the McCoy pick, but I said at the time that this guy was incredibly raw and that we shouldn't expect anything from him in year 1 and maybe even year 2. Ideally, he would be a guy we could stash on the practice squad for two seasons.
     
  16. RoninFin4

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    Going off those assumptions, could a potential defensive depth chart look something like this?

    DE - Odrick, Douglas
    NT - Starks, Soliai
    DE - Langford, McDaniel, Grant
    WLB - Wake, Anderson
    LB - Dansby, Spitler
    LB - Crowder, Dobbins
    SLB - Misi, Alama-Franics, Moses
    CB - Smith, J. Allen
    FS - Clemons, Jones
    SS - Bell, Culver
    CB - Davis, Sapp, Carroll, W. Allen

    Gives you a total of 26. I'd almost rather keep one between IAF and Moses and let Chris McCoy get the "Lionel Dotson" treatment for 2010. Not sure what they'll do with Will Allen still on the mend, but that's my best shot at what it could look like.
     
  17. padre31

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    I watched McCoy in the 4th qtr of the Jax game and he did look quick, but undersized to my eyes

    And Erik Walden will make the roster, he is a indifferent OLB but a core special teams player, to me that means Q Moses is in the pot.
     
  18. rafael

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    I like it. The only thing I'm not sure I agree with (I know you were using CK's assumptions) is that Walden might be a better choice for the 5th OLB just b/c of his STs contributions.
     
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  19. ckparrothead

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    All of the rookies are performing about like I expected except for two. Those two are Jared Odrick and John Jerry. And they're surprising me with how WELL they're playing. I didn't expect Odrick to look so polished at the two-gap game so early, he's already got Phil Merling blown COMPLETELY out of the water. And soon, I believe he'll have Kendall Langford in his rearview mirror. He's set to get like 700-800 snaps which Kendall will not.

    And I just expected John Jerry to take a redshirt year while he tones up his body but evidently he did that in one off season of workouts and he's looking the most advanced and technically sound of all the rookies out there.

    So those two surprise me. Austin Spitler is doing about as well as I expected. He'll make the team. Chris McCoy is not standing out, nor did I expect him to, he'll not make the team and I never expected him to. Reshad Jones not doing more than I expected, or less. Well, maybe a little less because honestly I thought him a lock for the roster and not so sure now...but that has more to do with developments at other positions.

    Of course should mention, A.J. Edds isn't performing at all as he's injured.
     
  20. ckparrothead

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    I have a hard time letting Nate Ness and Ryan Baker just walk out the door. I'd be upset if they got poached.

    On the other hand, I'm not sure why Reshad Jones really deserves a roster spot locked up when it's clear that he and Jon Amaya are about even right now, and if we were to cut both we could probably be all but guaranteed that one of them could make it to the practice squad where we could always bring them up in case of emergency.

    And when you consider that Tyrone Culver can back up both safety spots, and Nate Ness and Jason Allen have safety experience...
     
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  21. padre31

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    And that is a decision point Rafi, do you keep Walden as the ST OLB, and Ikaika then becomes the backup SOLB, or do you keep Q and expect Ikaika to excel at Special Teams?

    To me it is a toss up decision and I can see merit in both courses of action.
     
  22. Larry Little

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    That's what I saw, too... a guy who doesn't have the body to play in the NFL just yet. I think after a full year under the supervision of NFL trainers, he'll be able to at least 'physically compete'.
     
  23. Larry Little

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    IMHO, Reshad Jones has a LOT more upside. Amaya would likely make it to the PS, but I think Jones would be snatched up by some other team within 5 mins of being released.

    Jones certainly needs work on his mental game, but he's got all the physical tools you want in a FS, hits like a truck, and is one of those guys who just makes plays.
     
  24. Robert Horry

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    Jones has terrible range. And I mean terrible. On top of that he can't cover at all and takes pretty bad angles on the ball carrier.

    Him and Amaya are about equal. Both should get cut and at try to be be placed on the PS.
     
  25. my 2 cents

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    I am with you on basically everything in your posts in this thread....except for one thing...........I have not seen Spit from Spitler........I know he has been sick but he got engulfed in Tampa, looked lost in coverage both games and had maybe 1-2 tackles against Jax and did little on St's and just does not seem athletic or have enough junk in his trunk.........I value your opinion greatly, but I do not see anything from Spitler....I actually can see an ILB being picked up at the cut to 53 and parking any 2 or maybe even 3 of the the four between Mount Johnson, JD Folsom, Spitler, and McCoy on the PS......none seem ready although maybe Spitler get the benefit of the doubt because of his illness, Folsom is the most advanced and has improved IMO, Johnson brings nothing in a "real" game, and McCoy is a good athlete but has the recognition skills of ostrich with its head in the ground.
     
  26. ckparrothead

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    I watched every snap of Spitler's against Tampa, closely, and I would vehemently disagree with the characterization that he "got engulfed". He had one major coverage miscue, that does not to me constitute "being lost in coverage". He's lightyears ahead of Cameron Wake in coverage, as a for instance. He just has some more work to do.
     
  27. my 2 cents

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    I am not very good with pulling clips....matter oif fact pretty piss poor....I will however try to find the two plays he did indeed get ingulfed, mauled, abused, raped, sneezed at the wrong time or strategically gave himself up five yards downfield, or whatever adjective you choose and post them one play was VERY obvious as the Tampa LG fired out m2m with no traffic and a good camera angle and absoletly blew him 5 yards downfield...... I am not sure if we are talking about the same "miscues" but once he rotated coverage to the wide side (following Folsom) and the back cut to the short side...and he looked like a lost little puppy ... on another play there was a blitz and a walk up safety and the play was a pass where everyone played short man while he battened down his zone and a back ran right by him..........

    I agree though he is way ahead of Wake who generally scares the crap out of me in coverage ........ just do not see much in terms of POA anchor, COD, ball awareness or much of anything out of Spitler...but we can agree to disagree.......

    I am actually pretty disappointed in those picks that Parcels is "rumored" to have some personal interest in...Merling, Nalbone, Spitler, White,....not a great return on any of those guys in my hunmble opinion.
     
  28. ckparrothead

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    I don't remember hearing Parcells took a personal interest in Merling.
     
  29. my 2 cents

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    I thought I recalled he did.....I reserve the right to be incorrect on that.

    We can debate Spitler but still Nalbone has shown even less than White if that is possible and I do not really see any skill set in Nalbone that make you say..."oh yeah that's what he saw"...same for Spitler for me but you see something different and I respect your opinion, as for White...well KB has that one covered..................
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    Nalbone was the worst TE on the roster even before they cut Sperry.
     
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    DE - Odrick, Douglas
    NT - Starks, Soliai
    DE - Langford, McDaniel, Grant
    WLB - Wake, Anderson
    LB - Dansby, Spitler
    LB - Crowder, Dobbins
    SLB - Misi, Alama-Franics
    CB - Smith, J. Allen
    FS - Clemons, Jones
    SS - Bell, Culver
    CB - Davis, Sapp, Carroll, W. Allen

    Had to remove Moses, as i've considered him gone since last year .... and i'm still not sold on J Allen .... which leaves me at 25 -- i think J Allen is purely dependent upon W Allen's ability to play. Sapp can make up for him on STs ....
     
  32. Larry Little

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    Well... I'll just say I disagree with you about Jones and leave it at that. You do sound very sure of yourself, so... we'll just wait and see if you're right. :up:
     
  33. RickyBobby

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    we are not going to get rid of J.Allen, no way
     
  34. unifiedtheory

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    We have to cut him because no one likes him!

    Seriously though, I agree with you. The guy can play corner, safety and is a core special teamer, playing on all coverage units. This regime has a chubby for position flexibility and the ability to, as Sparano puts it "do lots of jobs". Jason Allen is the prototype for a depth player.
     
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