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Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by phinfan0202, Jan 11, 2008.

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  1. phinfan0202

    phinfan0202 New Member

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    If we do indeed take Dorsey with the 1st overall pick is he better suited to play a NT like Vince Wilfork or a DE like Richard Seymour?(Don't grill me for the two examples). Personally i think he's alot like Warren Sapp, a bigger athletic defensive linemen that can chase people down.
     
  2. like2god

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    Personally I think he is a bit on the smallish side to be a true NT. He would probably be kicked to the outside in a Parcells 3/4. Remember that both Bill and Ireland said that they were looking for prototypical sized players to play their defense, a 6'2 300 NT doesn't really fit that IMO.
     
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    phinfan0202 New Member

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    I don't think Vince Wolfork was seen as a "prototypical" NT either but look at him now. They converted him and now he's a Pro Bowler.
     
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    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    True, there are always going to be exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't mean that all undersized NT's will succeed in the NFL.
     
  5. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    he would have to add about 25 or 30 lbs. But how much slower would that make him
     
  6. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Dumb question.....is there a difference between a NG or NT. I have scene both used, and wondering what is the difference or which is more correct?
     
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    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    Your guess is as good as mine.
     
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    phinfan0202 New Member

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    True as well but the only thing that one could say about every NT is that they are always good at clogging the hole and stopping the run. Can Dorsey do that? Sure he can. But the other things about him is he can also rush the passer.
     
  10. Boomer

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    He's more like Seymour in that you can play him at every spot in a 3-4 or a 4-3 front. Ideally he's a 3 technique or a defensive end in a 3-4, but you could play him at NT, although you'd probably rather him not be there all game every game. I also think he could get to 315 without losingany speed at all. Look at Kelly Gregg weighing in at around 312 for the Ravens as one of the most underrated defenders in the NFL, playing NT to a very good level.
     
  11. Boomer

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    For those of you who don't follow this stuff too closely, he reminds me of a cross between Leonard Marshall, the old Giant who played for Parcells, Tommie Harris, the uber-quick 3 technique at the Bears and Kevin Williams, the uber-stud who plays for the Vikings. Both Harris and Williams get moved around the formation, although tend to do their damage out of that DT spot, mainly because they both play cover 2's in a 4-3.
     
  12. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Sorry that site confuses me even more. I swear it contridicts itself based on the two links to NG and NT.

    Nose guard, or NT, is a defensive position in American football. In five-lineman situations, such as a goal-line formation, the nose guard is the innermost lineman, flanked on either side by a defensive tackle. More often, the nose guard will be employed as the interior defender in the 3-4 defense. The nose guard lines up directly opposite the offensive center, or over the center's "nose". Nose guards tend to be shorter than most other defensive linemen. They are very strong and their responsibilty is to stop runs down the middle and draw double teams.

    "Nose guard" is often a term incorrectly applied to the defensive tackle in a 3-4 defensive scheme. This position is known as a nose tackle. Nose guards are sometimes also referred to as middle guards."
     
  13. like2god

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    If Dorsey is the choice at #1, do you still see us picking up a big bodied NT in FA?
     
  14. Boomer

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    Yes mate.
     
  15. Passrusher

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    Dorsey is more of a 4-3 DT then a 3-4 NT. If he were a couple inches taller, then teams may think of him as a strongside DE, considering his quickness off the ball
     
  16. sgtphin

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    BDH- Basically it's saying they are the same. Actually, NG is incorrect, it should be NT in today's NFL jargon. So, whenever you see the term "nose-guard" or the initials NG, just think NT and you'll be fine. Hope this helps some.
     
  17. Boomer

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    That's actually not true. He could be Casey Hampton if that's what you want. He could also be Richard Seymour.
     

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